200 Episodes Strong: What We've Learned About Love, Business, and Growth

Reaching 200 episodes of any podcast is a milestone worth
celebrating. But when you're recording with your spouse while
simultaneously building a business together? That's a whole
different level of achievement.


In this special anniversary episode, we pull back the curtain on
what it's like to navigate the complex terrain of intimate
partnership while also being public-facing business
collaborators. Our journey hasn't always been smooth—in fact,
there were times when working together nearly broke us apart—but
the lessons we've learned have been invaluable for our
relationship and for the work we do with others.


Whether you're considering starting a venture with your partner
or simply curious about how relationships evolve through
professional collaboration, tune in for some candid reflections
into this messy and beautiful process!


In this episode, we talk about:


— Our unexpected journey from recording 13 simple book-companion
episodes to creating 200 episodes and building a business
together


— The painful lessons from our first business venture together
and how those early struggles shaped our current dynamic


— Why the wrong leadership structure in a partnership can create
ongoing tension and resentment


— How fear-based decision making led to overworking and boundary
violations in our early business relationship


— The importance of claiming your authentic strengths and
limitations when working with a partner


— Why watching your partner interact professionally with others
can deepen trust in unexpected ways


— The spiral nature of learning in partnership—how each "failure"
can lead to greater self-awareness if you're willing to be honest
about your limitations


— How business collaboration can serve as a powerful
individuation opportunity when you allow it to reflect your inner
world


— The delicate balance of supporting your partner's spotlight
while managing your own feelings of envy


— Why creating a podcast together can be both navel-gazing and
self-indulgent and meaningful and potentially transformative


Resources mentioned in this episode:


— Project Relationship: The book that started our podcasting
journey together


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Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions