195 - How Emotional Energy Affects Your Health

Coach and Therapist, Isaac Ho shares the journey of uncovering
the hidden links between past traumas and physical health issues.
Through personal experiences and professional insights, this
episode sheds light on how unresolved emotional pain can manifest
in the body. It delves into the transformative power of holistic
healing practices, emphasizing the importance of addressing both
the mind and body for true health.  


 


Key Takeaways:


Past traumas and unresolved emotions can manifest as physical
symptoms.

Working with emotional energy can lead to significant health
improvements.

Addressing emotional roots can significantly improve chronic
physical ailments.



 


“They say that love is the opposite of hate. Right? They're on
the same spectrum, though, because you can't know love without
hate, just like you can know pain without pleasure. And so the
same thing applies in emotion is that the emotion needs to be
regulated for the body to be healthy.”  - Isaac Ho


 


BIO:


Isaac Ho, a trainer and therapist for almost 20 years, started a
journey to repair his health after facing personal troubles
despite regular medicine. He learned first-hand that pills had
limits, sending him on a life mission for true wellness. Learning
from experts worldwide, such as trainers and doctors in New
Zealand, France and Croatia, he gained deep knowledge from real
life to help many people escape pain and find health. He was on
TV networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX. Isaac's on a mission to
help parents and business owners live with true health and set an
example for future generations on how to love, prioritize, and
take care of themselves. 


 


 


 


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Transcript:


Amy Ledin  00:00


You're attracting more of the chaos. Like you keep saying you
don't want it, but you're not replacing it with something
specific. And so, you know, people that are like, why does
everything bad happen to me?


 


Isaac Ho  00:11


So for me, when I hear that my immediate thought is the failure
was on her to not give you a replacement. Okay, and she didn't
have to give it to you, but as your guide, as a person giving you
information, you and I had this talk about cancer, right? It's
like, wait, were they giving you glutathione while you're on
chemotherapy? We don't burn inflammation down when you try to
kill something. Right? And so like, the guide, should be guiding
you into thinking about these things. And so if she's like, I'm
going to do energy work and remove something, then she should
also be informed (inaudible) that you need to replace it.
Otherwise, you're setting that person up potentially to spin
really hard.


 


Amy Ledin  00:54


What are you doing to create your dream life or your best self?
Why do we see some thrive through challenges while others
struggle? Welcome to F* It!, a podcast where I talk about the
main Fs in my life that have helped me in creating my best self:
faith, family, forgiveness, food, fitness, and formula. Hi, my
name is Amy Ledin and most would say that I've had my fair share
of struggles, whether it was placing my baby for adoption at 18,
facing my marriage-ending affair, or battling stage four cancer
for almost seven years, it's safe to say that I've been through a
lot. Join me as I take you through my story, my journeys, and
share with you the tactical strategies every single week that
will help you thrive and overcome anything you face. That's
right, I'm going to show you how to create a future self that
you'll be proud of. So buckle up, get ready for the ride as I
take you through my story and bring other guests on that have
helped me along the way.  


 


Amy Ledin  01:46


Okay, so I have not done anything like this before on the
podcast. And that's just because I haven't had the right
opportunity and the right person. So today, you are going to
listen to someone that you're going to become familiar with
because he's coming on here three times. We have decided to bring
this to you because like I've said from the beginning, I'm always
wanting you to become your best self. And as I learned things
that are helping me to become my best self, I want to pass those
on to you. So today, you get to listen to Isaac Ho. Now Isaac is
a trainer. He's also a therapist. He's been doing this for 20
years. And what I love about Isaac's story is it really started
for him in repairing his own health after he faced some personal
troubles. So it was really just him learning firsthand. And I'll
tell you, Erik and I have had several conversations with Isaac
and this guy is just full of information and obviously has a love
of learning. He's learned from experts worldwide, such as
trainers and doctors in New Zealand, France, Croatia, and he just
really gained a deep knowledge from these real-life experiences
just to help many people escape their pain, and you know, find
their ultimate health. He has been on TV, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, you
know, you name it. So Isaac is on a mission to help parents and
business owners live with true health and set an example for the
future generations. And I'm just so excited to bring him to you
today. So here we go.


 


Amy Ledin  03:20


All right. So today, I'm really excited. I know I say this a lot
on the podcast but I am very excited today because I met this
gentleman at an NCI conference and between Erik and I, we were
blown away. And it takes a lot to impress Erik, like there's not
a lot that really gets to him and they were geeking out over
everything. And so I immediately knew that I needed to be besties
with this person. And then we, from that we've taken some deep
dives. And so I'm bringing something special that I've never
brought to the podcast. And that is we're gonna do a series
together because there's so much information that this gentleman
has. And I just was like, I know that my audience would soak it
up, and then we'll go from there. So today I have Isaac on the
podcast, Isaac, welcome.


 


Isaac Ho  04:10


Thanks for having me, Amy. So nice to be here with you.


 


Amy Ledin  04:13


And, you know, we're gonna have video of this, too. So those of
you will also be able to go on to YouTube and watch the video
along with of course, coming on to any podcast platform and
listening. But today, we're gonna dive into an area that you
know, like I've said from the get-go, I am trying to create my
best self. And I started this as an imperfect person. I think we
all are and that I am going to be the guinea pig a lot of times
on my own podcast in what helps me create my best self. Those of
you that have, you know, been along for the journey. I've had a
lot of trauma in my life I've had, I've never really labeled
myself someone with PTSD, but now I'm learning that I definitely
have had some PTSD. And I've not always been the best at managing
it. It has affected my health, there's a lot of connections to
cancer to autoimmune issues and it's not an area of my expertise
and so why not bring someone in that can also help kind of take
away some of the beliefs around what we're going to talk about,
because we're gonna be talking about the energy of emotions. And,
you know, coming from my religious background, there's a lot of
stigma around energy around even like Chinese medicine and things
like that, because we've been raised in this like Western
medicine world. So I want you to go into this podcast one, with
an open mind and knowing that some of the things will, everything
that Isaac is going to be teaching you, there's real-world
practice of it working, it helping and it really changing your
life. So I'm excited to dive into this with you, Isaac. Where do
we start? Talk to me about the energy of emotions, because I know
this is going to be a three-parter here where this first one,
we're going to dive into this and then we'll be going into the
physiology of emotions. And I think I know a little more around
that area, because I've seen certain things that I've put into
practice. But energy-wise is, you know, when we met one to one,
this is a whole new game for me.


 


Isaac Ho  06:15


Right. Yeah. So my background is really being a personal trainer.
So to me, everything was very physical. And like I was listening
to your podcast, and you sharing your story about I was telling
my wife yesterday, I was like the thought of you running stairs
in between cooking food, just so you could get enough calories. I
said picture that I was telling my wife, picture that like
imagine being that like manic, I was like I was blown away, I was
almost speechless. I was like the dis-ease someone would need to
have to be driven to that. I would say you watch them do
something physical, but there's actually a mental-emotional
driver. And so it took me a long time to really understand, like,
I started personal training clients, at 17 years old. That was
really my experience. And so to me, everything was physical. It
was kickboxing, it was hitting, it was lifting weights, I did not
believe in anything woowoo. And so like, this comes from my own
personal experience. And then I think what this will do, I'll
share this story with you is it will help you kind of understand,
I think, where people run into issues when they are only focused
on the physical. So I was at this event, and at this point,
everything to me was physical. So I was like you lift weights,
you eat a certain amount of protein, you do all these things that
you know, as a trainer to do. You do your mobility, you get in
the sun, you think about some holistic things like, okay, was
that food full of pesticides or not full of pesticides. And that
was pretty much where it ended for me. And I thought I, you know,
I had a lot of success with that. And I went to this event, it
was it was a Paul Chek, I don't know if you've ever heard of Paul
Chek, but if you were training people back in the 90s, Paul Chek
was like this really big, holistic kind of, he goes off the
rails. And so he kind of did a similar thing that I think I
experienced, and I think many people will experience when they've
been in the industry for 10, 20, 30 years, is they start with the
physical and then they start working with people and they feel
physically they should be healed. So like, why are they not, and
then they start looking for other solutions and accepting the
possibility that maybe everything can't be physical. So I was at
Paul Chek seminar, I ran into this guy, and he told me that he
was a health and fitness journalist in New York City. And what
had happened was, it was a great job, he loved to surf. And one
day he's in the water in Costa Rica, and he's so, all of a sudden
gets so weak, he drowns, and the guys surfing with them have to
drag him back to shore. And then he was never ride again. He got
Lyme disease, he was diagnosed with parasites, they brought him
back to, like the New York Institute of Medicine, started doing
research on him to try to figure out why he was so sick and was
pretty much on his deathbed. And so he's telling me this story
when I met him, and he's really skinny, like he's, like I'm
looking at the guy and he's lean. But he definitely has kind of
like this frail quality to him. And have you ever met someone who
has a frail quality to them, like, I'm a bigger person, I'm like,
over 200 pounds, he's like, you know, very small. And he tells me
the story about how he almost died, and how essentially, the
thing that helped him get better was this tool called the Lecher
Antenna. And I have one over here. So if you're watching the
video, see this is a Lecher Antenna. So basically, if you look up
the Lecher Antenna, it has these frequencies that it measures and
I believe it's Ernst Lecher who invented this and he won actually
a Nobel Peace Prize for this for the invention of that and it
basically measures different energy signals. Now, so the
interesting thing about this in New York was the doctor who
helped him get better was measuring people's blood, their bio
resonance against all the different forms of treatment they could
have and he was customizing them and that's how people were
getting better. And he had learned it from a French doctor who
was a Boeing engineer who was in China doing engineering for
Boeing. Had a, I believe, was a knee problem could like barely
walk went to see an acupuncturist and after like seeing all the
experts in the United States, one acupuncture session, all of a
sudden he was fixed and he couldn't believe it. And he couldn't
understand it. You couldn't make (inaudible) as an engineer, you
know, making airplanes fly. And so he went and he got another
doctorate in Ayurvedic medicine, basically. And so then he took
his knowledge of engineering and combined it with his knowledge
of Ayurvedic medicine and created what was called the ACMOS
system. Dr. (inaudible) and I got to meet him when I was studying
in France, but he's passed away now. And this is kind of the
story that this guy told me. And so I'm like, that's a cool
story. Obviously, you're alive. I'm like, But what? I don't know
if that's real, like, I have no experience. So I was like, can
you do anything for me? So he's like, yeah, well, let me see,
pull the antenna out, moves up and down, he waves it around a
little bit. And he goes, okay, it says, I can do this point for
you. And like at that point, I didn't realize it was an
acupuncture point. I learned all these things later. But a lot of
things that we get exposed to because our brains always taking
information. It's like, well, we don't know what it means. But if
we had enough, quote, intelligence or depth, we would understand
that it actually means something. So at this point, I knew no
idea what he was doing. He's whipping this thing around. He holds
it on me. And I'm just standing there and I feel something weird,
like happened to my hand, almost like something pushes out. Then
he's done. He's like, okay, it's done. And I was like, all right
whatever. I was like, cool. Well, I guess I'll let you know if I
feel anything. Then (inaudible). I don't even remember falling
asleep. And I woke up and I had not been that rested. Ever. And
I'm like, at that point, I'm like a 20 probably a 25, 26-year-old
trainer. I've been training people for about eight, nine years.
And I was like, wow, okay, something happened, I still had no
idea what that meant. So fast forward. It's like I started
learning about acupuncture, I talked to, you know, different
functional medicine doctors that also have degrees in
acupuncture. And then I fly to France. And I learned this system
from Dr. Naccachian and basically, what he did was he had
measured that there was an imbalance in the energy field, he made
sure that it was like, appropriate to treat, and he set the
antenna to a certain frequency and he basically adjusted the
frequency and it regulated the signal in my body. That's
basically what happened. Okay, but I didn't know any of that and
wouldn't know any of that until like five or six years later. And
so there's so many things, like I just spent a weekend with
chiropractors and there's only like 50 or 60 in the world that
know this modality and they only ever teach it once. And so I'm
talking to these chiropractors that are like 70 or 80 years old,
that are at the top of their game, and they know so many
different layers of things. But the reality is you could combine
everyone's knowledge in that room and every other practitioner in
the room and we still don't know everything about the human body.
It's so incredible.


 


Amy Ledin  12:40


We're still learning.


 


Isaac Ho  12:41


We're still learning. Yeah, because it's so, it's so incredible,
like in terms of, it'll happen and then we have to research and
figure out why it happens. Like, that's just what happens, right?


 


Amy Ledin  12:50


And you find that people are just too skeptical still, like,
they're just unaware. Because I mean, if you grew up in my era,
like, we were told our brain is fixed the way it is, like we
didn't even believe in neuroplasticity, right? Like, I didn't
learn about that until my 30s. And I have cancer. And it was, you
know, I found Joe Dispenza. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like,
this is a whole new world that I didn't even know about. I always
just thought like, your brain is your brain. And that's it,
right?


 


Isaac Ho  13:18


Oh my gosh, like, I do not blame people for being skeptical. I'm
one of the most skeptical people on the planet. So like, unless I
have an experience, I'm not. I'm not for it. Right? And it's not
because here's, here's the the reality with it. So let's just
talk about acupuncture for a second. Okay, so what is happening
in acupuncture? Well, if you, let's say you have to fast forward
training, it's that you have what's called meridians. And those
meridians may be fascial. But what you really have in the body is
you have really quick electrical signals. So when they research
how the brain is able to register your foot hitting the ground
when you run, technically can't happen. It's way too fast even
for your body to adjust even the ground contact time of
sprinting. It's like, it's the same way we're like how can the
bumblebee fly its wings are too small for the body, there is
something else going on there. And so that electrical signal is
so fast and it's functioning so intelligently. That whether we
have the technology to measure all of those impulses, like we
actually just just don't. And so with acupuncture, you have all
these connected circuits, you can think about them like connected
circuits. So like you hear about spleen, you hear about heart,
you hear about triple heater, all these things. So you have all
these connected circuits that are systems in the body that
interface with each other. And then what the acupuncturist is
doing if they stick a needle on it is they're saying that
circuit's irregular and I need to either add or remove energy. So
acupuncture, acupressure and different kinds of interventions,
they're just changing the signal to the circuit, when they stick
a needle in what they're thinking is happening, and so my
acupuncturist friends tell me, is it's like you have a lightning
conductor that you stuck into the ground and when the energy
circuit hits it you get a magnified change quickly. When you just
apply pressure or you use your hands, you're still getting a
signal, but how much magnification is it? Dr. Naccachian has
actually invented an electrical stimulator so that he could
measure the signal with the device, I have it here in my office,
and then you can light up and change like 100 circuits at one
time instantly. Right? It has its own tech to interface with the
electrical circuits. There are brilliant, there are tons of
brilliant people like that. When someone comes to me, I usually
will ask them a couple of questions. One, do they understand the
process that we're going through, because it would be like taking
supplements for one day sometimes. People take one supplement one
day, it's like, you're not going to notice a difference. Like if
you look at, if we did research on this device tool, whatever,
there would be a certain dosage you need for a certain period of
time to get an effective change. And you would even have to be
measuring the right thing to know that it changed, right? And so
if you're dealing with an electrical system, like acupuncture, or
any other thing, you would need to have some kind of output
system so you can measure change. So a lot of times are how we
feel I think is very relevant. But we also have to ask, how are
we accepting the change? Like how are we measuring that? And so a
lot of times in quote, muscle testing, which I you know, muscle
testing is an easy thing to get behind as a trainer, I think
because you're like the muscle's stronger, the muscle's weak.
When you get into neurological muscle testing, you realize there
are certain rules that muscles should follow. So for example, if
the spindle fibers compress and shorten, like in a massage, they
should relax. So if you get a muscle that you test strong, but
then you compress it and it doesn't test weak, then you actually
have a abnormal neurological reaction in that muscle. So there
are layers to how you would actually take input. So sometimes
I'll get someone that's seen a muscle test and like, yeah,
everything's strong on me. I'm like, cool, I don't care if it's
strong, I actually, or weak, like that's a first layer, but we
should have normal tenacity and normal neurological functions.
And if I stimulate these muscles to different glands or systems,
do you still get a proper response? Or do you get improper
response? So there are like kind of layers to the game is what I
would call it.


 


Amy Ledin  17:01


So when someone comes to you, like a person like that you think
they should be, what's the first step in diving into something
like this? Do they usually, do ask them like, do they have a
history of anything or maybe they're not even aware of it?
Because like you said, you start you're a personal trainer that
just happened to come across this. So when this, you started to
see this happen where does that person begin?


 


Isaac Ho  17:27


Yeah, that's a great question. So what I've learned that's kind
of interesting is because the brain is running all your systems,
like if you're alive, right now your brain is doing something.
And if you were in a coma, your brainstem would still be
functioning because you'd be breathing, right? But it can't do
the other things, right? It can't open your eyes, they can't
talk, and they probably can't digest at this point. So we've lost
function, that makes sense? So when the brain is losing function,
the client or you know, if I was a chiropractor, I call patient,
but I'm not a clinician that way. The client will come to me, and
they will actually say what the problem is. They'll tell me what
they're worried about, they'll tell you the priority, because the
brain is so stressed about it, it's not like they don't know they
have that problem.


 


Amy Ledin  18:02


I'd be like, Oh, my digestion is terrible right now.


 


Isaac Ho  18:05


Yeah, exactly. My (inaudible). Nine times out of 10. It's some
kind of emotional relationship issue that triggers an old
relationship issue. And so they're actually they, if they feel
comfortable, they actually tell you, they're having an emotional
problem. That makes sense? Physical symptoms, but they'll come in
oh, my God, work is so stressful. Nine times out of 10 when I
work with a businessman, work is so stressful, I should let this
person go. But I feel really bad because they're my friend. Oh,
wow, is that the first time you've ever had that happen in your
life? No, that's not the first time. Right? So you're just
reliving a cyclical pattern that you don't know how to clear. And
you have all this emotional compression around it, that's tied to
we can think about it like this is that each brain cortex
operates really intelligently with all our organs, and glands,
you can actually map them out, they actually are mapped out. And
then each of those actually has a social pressure. So like future
of what's going on, debating a topic, having (inaudible) taking
it very personally, because you have to think about it is those
are unsafe social reflexes, right? It's (inaudible) kind of tribe
and someone said, you're doing something wrong, you would have to
actually talk about it now, in a more Paleolithic way, they don't
talk that much, they would just fight about it. (Inaudible) it
comes on (inaudible) Does that make sense? So you have all these
reflexes that are triggered and programmed, and all those things
will affect the body, and then all those have to affect other
parts of the body. Right? And so like, we know that you can cut a
limb off and what do you end up with? Phantom limb pain. Well,
you don't have a limb anymore. So how can you hurt in the hand
that you don't have? So that lives in the brain. All right. It
lives in the brain. It lives in the reflex. And so a lot of what
people are trying to deal with is dysregulated reflexes.


 


Amy Ledin  19:56


Well, that's so interesting you say that because I remember, so
when Erik tore his distal bicep tendon, the chiropractor actually
told him to get in front of a mirror and train the, because if
you see the reflection, it will actually keep stimulating this
other arm that's not even being trained. And that was like my
first awareness of like holy cow, kind of like what you're seeing
with the phantom limb, like there is so much more to it than just
the actual movement of that. So besides like digestion, what are
some of the areas that this would come up for someone? Like if
someone's listening right now and they're like, okay, well, I got
stress in my life, like, do I need to be doing acupuncture? Do I
need to be doing some sort of, you know, energy healing? Like,
how does that show up in the everyday life that you see?


 


Isaac Ho  20:42


So usually, it actually looks like this, someone comes in they
complain of something really nagging in one specific area. Okay,
so it's like a really bad shoulder or really bad knee, a hip that
never recovered from surgery, an operation in their neck that
just never healed right. They complain about something wrong in
the system. They don't usually come and say like, hey, I've been
really looking for a kick ass emotional therapist and so
(inaudible) they're like, I have a physical problem. Like it's in
the physical body, right? It's in the body-body. And I, by the
way, I don't only recommend treating one part of the body, but
you have to find priority, because you have what's called pain
dumping, right? So if you have, in like attracts like, so in the
way that like, you know, we talked about fungal and parasites, or
some people talk about fungal parasites, but like, what does
fungus do, it actually aids in decay? That's it, right? And so
when you're a human being and your energy drops, you are closer
to decaying, aren't you? And so your heat signature goes up. And
so fungus doesn't have eyes it hunts by the heat signature. So
you become a target for decay and you start to get ill and you
become closer to the spectrum of decay. But we can take all the
symptoms that decay and you could trace them up. And so do you
need to deal with the fungal infection? Yeah at that point you
do. But where did the issue really happen? And what is it
impacting? And then how much of your life would you have had a
trauma around that you needed to decay yourself to the point of
all those symptoms before you stopped to get help? That's the
emotional part. Does that make sense?


 


Isaac Ho  22:14


Totally. I mean, it scares me hearing this because we've talked
about this, like, I didn't go to the root of a lot of my issues.
And even then, like you've taught me, if someone's listening, and
they've got, you know, some trauma, you have to first start with
kind of the more recent. I was always going back to my childhood,
or like, way, way, way before my cancer, but not even addressing
this first place. So I'm excited to see that change now that I'm
actually starting here. And then yes, I get maybe a little
healthier, be able to go down those layers, right?


 


Isaac Ho  22:48


Yes, exactly. So what Amy's referring to like, is that you have
to figure out based off where someone's at how much load they can
tolerate. It's just like strength training, right? And so if
someone's coming in, they're like, oh, my gosh, you know, I was
beat and these are, like real example of clients I've worked
with, I have a history of being raped, I was beat by a crowbar,
and I take care of all my family members, and they all rely on me
and I have work stress, and I'm trying to lose weight, and I hate
my body. Okay, which one of those can you deload? Does that make
sense? And if you go back to the crowbar, maybe not appropriate,
maybe is appropriate, right? And so we have to think about one,
how much capacity the person has for the current situation and
then how many stressors are reflaring them. So it's just like a
workout program if I went into the gym, and I had knee pain, but
I just wanted a front squat so bad. So I'm still front squatting,
and it tears my knee up, but then I go, you know what I won't do
lunges, I'll just do hamstring curls instead, right? You hear
this all the time, right? But I just gotta keep this one exercise
in, right? So it's like, okay, like, we have to look at what they
do outside of the session, because that's gonna determine like
how well they're going to heal overall. And the more we do, the
better, the less we alter, probably, the more they'll stay in
that state. Because you have to remember, like, people are
problematic because they live the way they live. That's it.
Right? So if they didn't live that way, they wouldn't have that
problem. So everything that they have is the result of that
problem right now. So the more that we change related to that
problem, the faster they'll probably heal, because we're removing
them from the environment that's creating the problem, that most
of my clients can't just dip on their environment, right? That's
not the reality. So what we have to do is we have to go which of
these are priority stressors? What can we do to make those
healthier relationships and what do you need to heal inside of
you, so you're not so overstimulated every time it hits you.
Because if that's the case, our healing window is this probably
nonexistent.


 


Amy Ledin  24:41


Right. Because you might be, your environment you're not going
anywhere from your family or it's a job that you're not
necessarily leaving so it's more about how can you meet that
person there to then work on addressing that, right? And it's
crazy that this is all stemming from a physical, people don't
realize the physical component I mean, I read the book, Your Body
Keeps Score, and it blew me away. Years ago when I listened, I
listened to it on Audible. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I just had no
idea that these were linked. I mean, even when we met, now, I'm
diving all into digestion, because I'm realizing, all these
years, I've just been grunting thinking, I'm not diving into any
of my emotions, I was still looking for any physical, like a gut
reset, or you know what I mean? Something like that. Not
realizing, okay, well, this problem might just continue to come
back or happen again, if I don't dive into that. So, when you
talk about the energy of emotions, and where, okay, so now we
know a little bit about acupuncture, we have these points on our
body. Where does someone, let's say that they are listening to
you going, okay, that's me, I've got a really stressful body. And
I have like this nagging trap that constantly just no matter what
I do, it doesn't matter what workouts I'm doing. I'm constantly
doing this, like, where do I go, Isaac? Where do I start to dive
into this? Besides following you and trying to read all your
stuff.


 


Isaac Ho  26:07


(Inaudible) a lot of stuff I just don't have a lot of time to
write anything is the problem. So let me kind of break it down
this way. So and I have had that experience in my life too, where
it's like I had all these physical people look at something and I
had a reoccurring issue. It's like, I'll share the story really
quickly. But bottom line is I went to a wedding with my wife,
we're hanging out and didn't feel really comfortable at the
wedding. I never really, I've never ever felt cool. Dancing has
always been weird for me. I didn't grow up learning to dance or
express myself. So it felt like I was a very on edge, I don't
know if you've ever felt like that. And so, the next day, man, I
had this terrible neck pain, like in my upper trap ribs,
whatever. And it went on, like I couldn't even wash dishes it
hurt. And I foam rolled it, I massaged it, I went in and saw, I
got pretty good level treatment for it, still retained. I was at
this at this seminar. And this guy goes, oh, you know, you're
doing all this stuff for it. But the reason you have that pain,
he's like, you got a knife in the back, I can see it. I go, well,
what do you mean, and he's like, knife in the back. He's like,
somebody decided that they wanted to stab you in the back
energetically didn't like you, for whatever reason, and they put
that knife in there, I can see it. I was like, what, and then he
just passed my muscle, and goes knife in the back, and then my
arm goes weak. And then he pulls the knife out before he gets on
his airplane. He's like going on a shuttle, is this doctor, like,
you know, and it's like, I ended up studying with him later. But
wildly, dude, as soon as he pulled it out, the pain went away and
never came back.


 


Amy Ledin  27:27


That is crazy.


 


Isaac Ho  27:28


So like (inaudible) I learned, I'm just like, you know what, if I
didn't experience it, now, I also think like, if you're
scientifically-minded, you think about placebo. You think about
if you know anything about holograms and agreement, you know
about witnessing, you know, all these things that I think are
advanced, more advanced healing concepts. I don't know how
familiar a lot of people are about them. I keep that in mind,
too. But that pain never returned. And so essentially how you get
these kinds of problems and why I'm bringing it up is there are
different kinds of problems you can have emotionally, that's why
I want to clarify. So you have the emotional field, which we can
think about if you look at field research, there's more than one
level of field that comes out of the body, okay? And so to share
with you briefly is there is a protective field that you have
around your body and 10% of your body's resources should protect
you from microwaves and other things like that. The reason why
some people are so responsive to that like a microwave, I can
feel a microwave, oh my god, 5g, etc, it's like that field is not
available for them, they don't have enough energy to divert to
create a protective field. And so in my app, the first thing you
do is you're just trying to make sure someone has a protective
field because the moment they step outside without a protective
field, they're toast. So anytime someone's complaining they're
coming in, they don't have any field to protect them, they don't
have that 10% available. So I always tell my clients, you should
have a 10% field. And if you don't have it, you're probably gonna
be hypersensitive to every single little thing. Now, once we
blast through that field, once you lose that field, now it's
going to hit the it's going to hit more of your energy body, like
the internal side of it, and then it's going to start becoming a
physical problem, right? And so there are different levels to
this field. So if we think about what we would need to do to make
sure we kind of have a healthy field, first thing we would go is
do I have a 10% protective field. The second thing we can then
ask ourselves, once we have that 10% protective field is how is
the state of the body overall functioning? So I know you and I
were talking about chakras. And so chakras are conductors of
energy. So if you think about you're on this planet, like
literally planet so I'm not saying like this in the like, stars
kind of way I'm talking about like you're literally a planet
Earth and the gravity is keeping you here or if you're in space,
you'd be floating away. There's a force called gravity going from
the center of the planet and that's pulling you so there's one
field there and then you have all the energy that comes up from
the sky, the sun, everything. What we would call like radiation,
I guess, okay? Some kind of ozone that's actually coming down
from the top. So what's going to allow all those energies to move
well, like, you know, gravity exists, otherwise you wouldn't be
on the planet, you'd be floating in space. And you know that
there's radiation, because otherwise you wouldn't bother to put
sunscreen on. So those two have to pass through you. And so your
chakras are basically transformers of that energy so they can
move well, does that make sense? (Inaudible) it's kind of like
mystical energy stuff. It was like data someone was able to take
in. And then people that are more engineer-minded, they're,
they're able, I think, to connect those concepts better. So I
just want people to understand, you should have a 10% field that
protects you. That's the first thing you should start with. If
you don't have that. It's like every day you're going to cry
about something. Okay. The second thing is that you should have
these chakras or these transformers I would say, they should be
in good functioning order. Right? And they should ideally, we
have a transformer or like a pipe, we wouldn't want that pipe to
be like straight line for efficiency. So if you've got like one
chakra, where it's like, oh, you know, root chakra is safety. If
you're worried about your safety in the past, and that's behind
you. Well, now your pipe is like twisted. If you've got a root
chakra and you're like, hey, I've got a root chakra. And that's
like, I'm worried about like, is this going to go well in the
future for my business? Well, now that chakra is all the way in
front of you. And now we got a twist in the pipe. If we've got,
like, I was raped when I was young, and that's a second chakra
issue, which is probably enjoyment of life, and you're not healed
from that enjoyment. And now you feel like it's stolen from you
forever. Guess what, you got a twist in the pipe. So people get
these twists in the pipe at every level based off every emotion,
and then the transformers are just totally off. So now the body
can't be good. Does that make sense? The actual body that these
chakras pass through, are all warped. So we have a secondary
issue now. So first, we don't have any field at that point,
probably. So we're absorbing everything. And second, we can't
even compensate for staying on this planet well, there's just too
much dysregulation. So that would be the second thing that I
would address is, is those transformers working correctly? After
I have that, there's there's different fields, and we're probably
not going to go into them. But like that is a good place to start
for a lot of people is, do your transformers work correctly? And
do you have any kind of field to protect you from basic stuff
that you shouldn't really have (inaudible)?


 


Amy Ledin  32:15


Right. So when you're going through so because I obviously know
my poles are definitely crooked, because we've talked about this,
and then even just listening to you here, I'm like, oh, my gosh,
that example you gave I totally, like uncertainty, like people
that live with uncertainty, or let's just even talk about through
COVID. Right? Like, how many people were living in a state of
uncertainty, fear? What are some of these things that people
should be doing? Whether it be on a daily basis that help
straighten that out? Is it the energy healing? Is it you know,
going through that, like?


 


Isaac Ho  32:50


Yeah, oh, I love that question. So I actually believe and this is
not, I think how most health practitioners believe, but I believe
there are levels to the game. And so when I say levels to the
game, it's just like in a business, you can make six figures. And
that's cool. And some people stay there forever. And like, I
talked to a friend of mine, he's like, yeah, my mom and dad owned
a car dealership, and they don't make enough money to bring in a
lot of staff, but they do well for themselves. Right? Then
there's the family dealership that owns three giant automobile
dealerships. They have 60 employees, and you walk in and
immediately someone made you coffee. That's a different level.
Does that make sense? You walk in as a customer and they're doing
you know, it's completely different. So it's like, what is the
level of the game you're trying to play in your body is usually
what I asked my client, like, what is the goal here? Because
like, my wife is not a health practitioner. She cares nothing
about this. I'm a health coach. And I love this stuff. I can sit
and learn about the body all day. So my level of what I want is
different. Does that make sense? And so I'm going to a different
amount of time and energy because it's more aligned with my
purpose. So I always ask the client that because there's
different levels. So most people, they just want to get out of
pain. That's a lot of people I work with, they just don't want to
be in pain anymore. Right? So an example of this would be like, I
had a client that reached out and they're like, yeah, you're the
only ACMOS person in like the United States, so they reached out
to me. And basically, they were having issues with digestion,
where their skin would break out if they eat raw vegetables. So
they eat raw vegetables but now, like I shouldn't be having a
problem in raw vegetables, but I literally would get acne. All
right. So I just told him like, okay, we do a session. So I did a
session and like now he knows what to do and it's fixed. Okay,
now is did we, how much did we fit? What did we even do there?
It's the question (inaudible) on. So what we've done is we've
adjusted the signal so he's not as toxic. And because if you're
toxic, you're gonna have to push things out through your skin
system. It's feces, oxygen, urine and skin. Those are detox
systems. They don't have any other way. Right? Okay. When women
have hormones like they have menopause or they have their period,
time of the month, what do they end up with? Lots of migraines.
Why? Why do you end up with migraines, well you create all this
hormone during the time of the month. Where do you detox that?


 


Amy Ledin  35:08


Well, obviously, it's coming out, like you said.


 


Isaac Ho  35:10


It has to circulate, right? And so (inaudible) into chemicals
that then flood your brain. And those are probably toxic because
your body wants to get rid of them. Right? And so when you're
under more toxic load, you end up with migraines.


 


Amy Ledin  35:25


Well, so this is interesting. I took a little note here. So and
I'll actually share this in the notes of the podcast episode. So
a couple years ago, I found this, I want to say he's like a Tony
Robbins. His name's Kerwin Rae. And he is in Australia, really
well known there. And he was a public speaker, like, always, you
know, busy doing all and he started having this eye issue. He
thought it was a physical, he was like, I'd seen every specialist
and it was almost like it was red and swollen, and it would flare
up. And he met like a guy that came to one of his things and
said, I want to I want to work with you, therapy-wise, like,
let's go do a session together. And they and this was in
Lifetime. So this is why I want to share the video because you're
gonna be blown away. This is what my first introduction to holy
crap, you can heal yourself through your emotions, because he
starts talking to him. And this guy dives in. And basically he
has this fear of, you know, a failed marriage. He had his parents
and like, it was like a true fear not even related to his career
of what he's doing on a daily basis. That's why it was blowing
him away. And he had to actually go through a process of
forgiving himself, forgiving his mother, and you watch in
Lifetime, his eyes start to get less swollen, the redness, like
it was crazy. Like, I'm like, okay, I had to see it. I think and
I think a lot of people like listening, they might be skeptical.
But I would say having an open mind also being more highly
suggestible is only going to do you a favor here, it doesn't hurt
to believe, right? And so for me watching him, I mean, I
immediately, reached out to him, and I'm like, This is crazy.
I've never seen anything like this and he was very skeptical
himself initially, until he was like, wow. And then it took his
career, in a completely, you know, now he is really big on
forgiveness for yourself that a lot of people are holding on to
so much just within themselves, not even what someone else has
done to them. And by letting that go, whether I mean, I don't
know enough about the Steven speak on it, whether it's like into
the energy field, I don't know. But watching him physically
change was so powerful for me, you know, like, I'm like, how is
this happening? So, is that kind of what you're talking about
here, when we're going through these fields?


 


Isaac Ho  37:48


Totally all connected. Yeah. And so like, I had a really good
friend of mine, do forgiveness prayers. So if anyone's wondering
about, like, how this works, so when I said there's different
levels, so to me, the highest level of doing anything is actually
to be a teacher. And that's why mystics and gurus teach. That's
it, right? Because they know it so well. They teach it to other
people. If you're just like, I'm trying to get out of pain, like
someone can actually do the forgiveness prayer for you.


 


Amy Ledin  38:17


Oh my gosh, I love that you're saying that because (inaudible).


 


Isaac Ho  38:20


Yeah, so it's like, they're gonna do the therapy for you. Yeah,
they do it for you, right. And I've seen crazy results. As a
fitness trainer, I've literally seen people get forgiveness
prayers done, walk into my gym the next day, and they're like,
their pants don't fit anymore. They lost like 20 pounds of
inflammation. You know, it's crazy now, does it come back? Yes,
it comes back. But why does it come back? You have to think about
this. So if you don't consciously connect to the idea that is
administered and you don't understand it, then you will have to
recreate the problem. Okay, so they can remove it from the field,
it won't be as stimulating to you it won't be as disastrous, but
it will you bought yourself some time, basically. So you could
pay someone to basically just reset you all the time. I've had
clients that do that. I know I'm super sensitive to spicy food. I
can't handle it. I also know it only enzymes, guess what threw my
back out when I had spicy food. Are you available Tuesdays so you
can treat that again? Okay, cool. Like how (inaudible) do you
want to do it's kind of up to you. Right? And that doctor in
particular, he was good just paid me every time his back went out
when he had spicy food. Right?


 


Isaac Ho  39:26


So crazy.


 


Isaac Ho  39:28


It just depends, right? But the forgiveness prayers I think are
huge. I'm not a person who likes to do treatments for people I
will say that so what I mean by that is I'd much prefer them to
learn how to do it themselves and to handle it themselves because
my goal is that they know how to keep themselves optimal. Same
with exercising, my goal is to like teach people how to have the
proper form, learn the programming and then if they want me to
program for them or a team to program for them. totally happy to
do that. But like, like there's the social community part of it,
going into the gym is all social community. You know that because
you're an aerobics instructor, right? If people and weight
watchers, like how important is social community? So important
(inaudible) that people need to hire therapists and trainers for
the social part, I believe they should find those and develop
those with wherever. So I like I go to workout at a commercial
gym even though I own my own gyms, and I have a gym in my garage.
Why? Because I just like being part of that energy that's been
created there. But I don't necessarily need like a trainer for
that because like the flex side I get. So I think that's really
important for someone to consider, like, do you want someone to
just do it for you? Now you'll get to a point where you may need
more active engagement if you don't want it to reoccur. And so
that's something that I do measure with people because it's going
to determine, you know what I recommend based off that, but you
can get forgiveness prayers you can get it's so, it's crazy. So
like, you know, like there's two bodies of work, I think that are
primary when it comes to energy field. And so like for anyone
that doesn't know anything about energy, it's like, first step,
like I was never really open to energy I use an antenna to
measure that. I understand like electricity exists, because
obviously, I've shocked myself reaching into a socket before.
I've had weird stuff have in my kitchen when the wiring wasn't
great. So like we know these things exist, you just have to ask
yourself, like how open you are do it at first and then once
you're decide that you're open, then you can start to explore a
little bit more. So when we talk about emotions, what is
forgiveness is like forgiveness is release, simple. Yeah, I'm
holding on to something. Okay, cool. So do you think if I put a
20-pound sandbag on your left shoulder and a 60 pound kettlebell
on your right hand, and said, walk around like this for life,
that you would have some problems? Well, yeah, absolutely. So if
you're holding on to anything, and you haven't released it, of
course, you're going to have issues. And so it's going to create
blockages, it's going to create tension, so you have to release
those. So you can learn to release those, you can be more
conscious. So you know, I use a technique for that to help my
clients and you and I've done some work where you start
self-identifying things you're still holding on to, and then
shifting energy around them. And like we have energy around the
history of that. And then we have energy about where it lives in
the body. And we just want to get that out. We don't want to
entertain it and hold on to it and (inaudible) continue to weigh
us down.


 


Amy Ledin  42:18


Would that be something as simple as a person like sitting down
with a piece of paper and maybe looking for the areas that
they've had some unforgiveness?


 


Isaac Ho  42:26


Totally? Yeah, it can be. It's funny. So like, all you have to do
is look at what makes you angry. That's it. What are you angry
about? And so like in business, they say, what your mission is to
fix the thing, right? Fix the thing, you struggled with. A lot of
times business owners, they can be so unhealthy because they're
actually trying to address a wound they have and they're so
passionate about it, and it's becoming their demise.


 


Amy Ledin  42:52


Gotcha.


 


Isaac Ho  42:53


Yeah. And so, you know, I like to say that it's like, you can
make that your mission without having an emotional intensity
around it. Right? There's actually a fine balance. And so, they
say that love is the opposite of hate. Right? They're on the same
spectrum, though, because you can't know love without hate, just
like you can't know pain without pleasure. And so the same thing
applies in emotion is that the emotion needs to be regulated for
the body to be healthy. Too far one way is not healthy. If it's
too far the other way, it is not healthy. So like in terms of
that answer is like, yeah, you could sit down, you can just ask
yourself, like, what really upsets me in the world, and it will
probably very likely be linked to an old, old wound in your
energy field, an old emotion, something you just haven't let go.
Sometimes they are so, so silly. They'll just be most memories
that people have as a child are actually emotional burdens.
Because the brain


 


Amy Ledin  43:44


(Inaudible) that because sometimes you've just told yourself a
story. Like it might not even be accurate, right? But it's just
something that you've carried for all these years. And then, you
know, maybe just going through that practice of writing it down,
keep talking. And then would you ever suggest someone rewriting
their story of like, how they've, does that help the brain kind
of accept it?


 


Isaac Ho  44:07


They can. So there's like the if you don't have techniques
version, and there's the if you have techniques version, right?
And this is kind of, you know, where it is. And so I will say
personally, the ones that you have to do that are very intense,
like that guy who was walking someone through a really specific
forgiveness process, and you saw it change in real time. Are some
of the things I will do. They're way more advanced than what
someone could access themselves. Okay. So, of course, if we're
just understanding that because sometimes there'll be, people
will be like, yeah, I rewrote my story. It did nothing. I'm like,
but even look at how you talk about it not working in your
upsetness you're actually still angry at someone. So I don't know
if you identified the correct one that needed to be dealt with.
Does that make sense? And so there's a lot of people can kind of
fall down anytime you are trying to, it's like being your own
coach. Probably not a great thing. You know, my wife and I were
listening to Layne Norton, one of the best figure competitors
ever. He was like, I hire a coach, because trust me, I'm really
bad at being my own filter for bias. Make sure that we're not,
you know, biasing ourselves. But they can, you can rewrite your
own story, you can set fire to the, I mean, there's so many
things that can help. The key is how are you releasing it? I
think the issue that most people have is they release it in the
energy, and they don't change it in their life.


 


Amy Ledin  45:28


Okay, so give me an example of that, how someone would release
that. But then what does it show up by anger still coming up? So
they really didn't really sit?


 


Isaac Ho  45:39


Yeah. So the way that it works is that once it's in your energy
field, it lives in your cells. But of course, your cells process
things in an order, right? And so we know that if we have an
emotion that affects all our organs, which is why digestion
becomes a big thing. I know, that's a big thing that you're
researching. So if somebody comes and let's just pick a random
emotion. Let's pick fear. Okay, so let's say they are afraid,
where's that going to exist? Well, in their hormones,
specifically, the kidneys, the adrenal medulla, the adrenal
cortex, right? Those are going to be really relevant. And so what
will they probably have a really stiff back. Right? A really
stiff back, because that's where the kidneys are located,
probably have a weak (inaudible) may even test weak in the clear,
right? So they can't hold their leg up straight. There's no
strength there. Right? Okay. So let's say we have these
correlations of all these different things that are happening
with this person. And so they're like, yeah, I'm tired all the
time. My eyes water, when I see light, and I got all these
adrenal problems, and I have all this fear. So they do this fear
process, and they write everything down. And they're like, I'm
releasing all this stuff. Cool. Awesome. So the first step is
they know they have fear, and they release it. What did we
replace the fear with? That's the issue. So anything, it's the
law of the universe, anything that once removed, creates a hole,
a vortex. Right? And so it pulls new things. And so what do they
end up pulling? A secondary dysfunction in. And so people go, I
don't want to create anymore. So what am I going to do? I'm going
to challenge everything and in my fear I'll vortex that into a
permutation of that emotion, because I really haven't learned how
to deal with it.  


 


Amy Ledin  47:16


Okay, so is this where we replaced mind with ease, like making
sure that I have a replacement that, okay.


 


Isaac Ho  47:22


Exactly. So we have to know what we're replacing things with.
Because otherwise, we're just creating, like, you cut out a
cancer and a new one grows in.


 


Amy Ledin  47:30


And someone once said that, to me, they're like, I feel like
you're a like, she was like an energy, you know, healer, and
she's like, you're attracting more of the chaos, like because you
haven't replaced, like, you keep saying you don't want it, but
like, you're not replacing it with something specific. And so
then you're getting more, you know, people that are like, why
does everything bad happen to me?


 


Isaac Ho  47:54


When I hear that my immediate thought is the failure was on her
to not give you a replacement. Okay, because energetically and
she didn't have to give it to you, but as your guide, as a person
giving you information. You and I had this talk about cancer,
right? It's like, wait, were they giving you glutathione while
you were on chemotherapy? We don't burn inflammation down when
you try to kill something. Right? And so like, The guide should
be guiding you into thinking about these things. And so if she's
like, I'm going to do energy work and remove something, then she
should also be informed you need to replace it. Otherwise, you're
setting that person up potentially to spin really hard.


 


Amy Ledin  48:35


Okay, so when someone you know, this is obviously I'm gonna
assume I shouldn't say this, but it's a long game, right? Like,
yes, you're you could have like changes, but it's something that
needs to be practiced regularly. Like, is that what you would
suggest to someone if they're gonna, you know, they're coming
down this path? And they're like, okay, I think this is me, like,
I've got some issues, and I definitely, maybe I'm dealing with
some unforgiveness or, you know, trauma. It's not a one-and-done,
like you said, like, well, you can practice with these people and
have sessions with them. They need to do things on their own.


 


Isaac Ho  49:13


Yes, they, for the highest level of healing, they want to
optimize their environment. That's always the rule. So it doesn't
matter if like we're doing nutrition stuff, they want to optimize
the nutrition, right? Obviously. We're doing exercise stuff. We
want to optimize the movements. Every part we want to think about
the cardio, we want to think about the stretches, we want to
think about the weightlifting exercises, right? The more they
optimize, the better outcomes they will get. Right? And so I
think we're always trying to give someone something accessible,
like write something on a piece of paper, you pick anything like
the guided meditation, online, you pick a breathing, exercise,
all those things, you pick journaling, you pick, rewriting your
story, all those things are helpful. Now, are you going to heal
from that? That's the question most people are asking me is that
going to get rid of my pain? And so my answer to that is always
this, it's that pain is multi-system. Okay? Very important. Pain
is multi-system. It is not one thing doesn't cause pain, dumping
of many signals causes pain, you can have a chemical-based pain,
you can have an emotional-based pain, you can have constriction
of the fascia-based pain, right? So it's multi system. So like
what's going to help somebody with their pain is going to be what
is the priority system that's causing most of that discomfort. So
like, you know, I had someone I was treating yesterday, and like,
now their nervous system has gotten so bad, they can't go to
work. And so like even, it was like a driving stimulus. So I
found there was one set of dysfunction related to gripping the
wheel, then I found there is another set of dysfunctions related
to actually using their gas pedal and brake pedal, then there was
another dysfunction related to the thought of what happens if I
wipe out this commercial vehicle, and all the implications of
that. Does that make sense? And then they had their other stuff
they had sitting on top of that stacked on top. Does that make
sense? So we can make a pile this big. And they've thrown 10
things on top of the pile, and now they're having a symptom. So
you know, I think a lot of times why people don't get better is
really simple. They just don't do enough work. They don't take
enough off the stack. And so all these things take weight off the
stack, breathing exercises, take weight off the stack, doing yogi
sequences that are well designed by an actual Indian guru, do not
do random yoga, by the way, they'll mess yourself up because you
have to realize that they are working with the yogis, not the
Western, but the real yogis, what are they changing with yogic
postures? Those asanas are changing energies in the body. And if
you don't know how to read energies, you can't just pick random
stretches. Does that make sense?


 


Amy Ledin  51:51


Interesting. Yeah.


 


Isaac Ho  51:52


Because each transformer is moving a certain way. Each asana
which is posture is creating energy through the body. And so if
you can't see energies, and you didn't design a safeguard energy
protocol, you could really mess somebody up.


 


Amy Ledin  52:08


Wow, that's easy, because I think a lot of people are practicing
yoga in like, the total incorrect ways.


 


Isaac Ho  52:16


They are like hot yoga is the most ridiculous thing in the world
because the number one rule of yoga is that it heats your body
and you do it before the sun rises, and after the sun sets. So to
put someone in a hot environment while they internally heat
themselves, what are you going to create? Massive problems,
burnout, all those things. So but that's just a lack of
misunderstanding. I think just like when I said when the energy
practitioner didn't give you something to replace it, like, maybe
they understand the mechanisms that were being affected. That
makes sense? So I'm really big on mechanisms. And so when it
comes to healing, it's like, what's the mechanisms we need to
affect to optimize this specific set of issues? So like, in a
perfect world, it's like, they reset their energy in the morning,
they're very conscious about clear living with vitality, they're
not stressed through the day, when I say stressed through the day
doesn't mean they don't have things they're doing. But they don't
interpret those as stressful, or they don't blow out their brain
signals and tell their brain something is wrong as they go
through the day. Does that make sense? So that means like, if I
do a meditation in the morning, or something that aligns my
energies, I'm in a good state, right? I just created a buffer.
But if I'm going to send that to today, the more signal
dysregulation that hits me. So if I'm like, my son needs
something, and I have a wound about my father not taking care of
me, I will immediately lose signal when that hits me. If I didn't
do the meditation, and I have that wound, well then guess what
happens? Now I'm in a worse spot. You see how this works? You
can't digest foods if you can't digest certain foods, okay?
Because you're like, a.m. high stress, whatever, but I'm taking
enzymes, so you get a little bit of uptake, but the rest of it is
toxic. Boom, you just lost signal again, and you have to detox
that.


 


Amy Ledin  53:56


Wow.


 


Isaac Ho  53:57


Friends that you drink some alcohol and you're like, I'm in a
social environment, that guy looked at me weird, have some
unhealed stuff about men, boom, you just lost signal again. So
you know, people don't heal because they don't understand the
mechanisms.


 


Amy Ledin  54:10


Wow. Okay, I'm blown away. Because as you were saying that I'm
like, okay, so this would explain why, if I'm not doing some of
those practices, say, first thing in the morning, I just jump
into my day. Perhaps that's why sometimes, and it doesn't happen
often, but on these days, those things affect me more, I
definitely have the wound of like, parents not taking care of me.
And so certain days when my kids asked me for things, I just lose
my crap. Like I'm literally triggered over them just asking a
question and I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, what is going on with me
to be so not realizing that it's obviously downstream to
something that I've not really addressed? Would you ever
recommend people then I mean, I don't know if you know, a lot
about like, the child wound and the you know, like, right, you
know, again, it's back to doing some of that work of writing the
letter to yourself. Do those things I mean I know it's kind of
multifaceted where there's layers, I mean, all the things you
said, I do a lot of these practices already, breathwork, I am
doing meditation, so it's, is that just one more tool to add to
the toolbox to use?


 


Isaac Ho  55:18


The story writing? Instead of rewriting your story from the past,
my recommendation would be if someone was coming to me
specifically with this, and they said, what do you think can be
the most helpful about shifting my story? I would say that you
have to create a new present. That's (inaudible) helpful, which
means that, like, once you're aware of how you interpreted that
story, then you walking around every day, and affirming that this
thing that happened to you back then, is now a positive blessing
and you're grateful for it, that is the solution.


 


Amy Ledin  55:56


Okay. Yeah. So, that might be similar to like, we've talked about
it on the podcast, future self journaling, you know, Nicole
LePera does this, she has like, a template that she gives you.
But I used to be a big time overreactor, like, I would just over
you know, one to 10, I started a future self journaling, which
was really about how I'm going to show up that day, like, in the
future. And it was crazy, because I mean, 50 days in, and that's
the thing, people think it's just gonna happen overnight. It's
not like if you've got these deep-rooted patterns, right? But I
started to finally I was able to pause in some of those moments
where I was going to react, overreact. And I think because I had
read, I had wrote a future story of how I would show up, that was
kind of helping change the decision that I'd make in my brain at
that point. Does that make sense?


 


Isaac Ho  56:43


Absolutely. Yeah. Because you're seeing consciousness to the
future, right, you're bringing consciousness to the present,
which then changes the future outcome, which also just changes
how you experience it now, which is kind of the point of exposure
therapy. Right? And so like, that is really helpful. I mean, me
personally, what I like to do is teach my clients how to
self-test like you and I've been doing, and then teach them
different layers of the self-testing game, right, so they become
their own diagnostic tool. And if you're, like, not good at
testing, actually like them to learn how to use the Lecher
Antenna, because it's less biased, and it's very, like a clean
spin or no spin. I really like that. So I actually recommend, a
lot of my clients, people I've worked with I'm just like, get a
Lecher Antenna, learn how to read the chart, learn how to scan
yourself, learn how to process your emotions, and then learn how
to actually implement those. And I think that's where coaching is
really effective. For me, what I've seen is just pulling an
emotion out of someone and leaving them be, they've got so much
environment that it's not like they can spin out of that force,
they actually have to make a conscious decision to exit the
current situation they're in, and they have to move a different
direction. And so that, and they're going to trigger other layers
of trauma, as they do that, because they're in that situation,
because it's the safest for them currently, as soon as they exit,
they will have (inaudible) right? So I tell my business coaching
clients this all the time, it's like, okay, you were doing
one-on-one work, now you want marketing, you've never had
marketing. So you're probably going to experience some
interesting things and hit your (inaudible) around marketing.
Right? Same if you've never done your own sales, same when you
raise your prices, all those things have to happen, because
you've not been in that environment before and you've kept
yourself safe from it up till this point.


 


Amy Ledin  58:28


And this is probably where the coaching really comes into play.
Because you really want someone to help guide you through that.
So talk to me, I mean, I know, and I'm always begging you to do,
you need to do some sort of course, that is like a beginner place
for someone to come and learn some stuff. But where, like if
someone's listening to this today, and I know we're going to do a
second part where we're going to go into the physiology of
emotion. But where can someone find you? What you know, like,
because they're listening to this and like, I don't even know
where to start? Like, I don't even, I wrote down the antenna, and
I know all this, like, where can they find you? How can they work
with you? Give me all the details.


 


Isaac Ho  59:08


Yeah, so they can find me at my gym and our holistic programs.
It's beometry.com (inaudible) beometry.com and then one of the
things that we'll have a link for is I'm actually going to give
away a scholarship for actually helping with the emotional side
of these things. And so if that's something that they want to do,
they can enter to win a scholarship.


 


Amy Ledin  59:31


Oh, that's amazing. I'm so excited. And those of you listening, I
mean, I don't like to bring on people that I don't have some sort
of experience, especially if they're going to come in and teach
something. So I've just been, you know, blessed to have some time
with you. And already in our short time. I mean, I've been blown
away by just the help that you've been able to give me so I'm
excited for us to dive into part two next time. I'm sure I'll
probably even have more questions from this one that I'll I want
to bring into part two. So if you're following along, I'm going
to be releasing part one and two at the same time. So you'll be
able to already go right into the next one. But thank you so
much, Isaac for coming on today. And I mean, I'm, I've got two,
two cards of notes here that I'm like, more stuff to work on. But
I really, and maybe you're listening, and don't be defeated by
that, because that's a quick place I can go because I feel like
I've done a lot of work over the last decade. But instead, I'm
trying to spin that and go, this is an opportunity to learn a new
area that I've never even dove into. So I'm actually excited
because I'm like, okay, I have, I feel hopeful, you know what I
mean, to fix in and heal some of these places that honestly, it
affects every part of my life, not just our physiology, you know
it affects just as so much. So I'm excited for that. Thank you
again, for coming on. Any last words or anything you want to add
that I've missed?


 


Isaac Ho  1:00:58


No, I so appreciate you having me on. And I love I love talking
about this. I think energy work is so ambiguous, I was really
confused about really skeptical, you know, I had a brilliant
friend of mine who she was actually when she went to Yale and
Stanford, she was a lawyer for the state, she was so intelligent.
And when she started getting into energy work, I was like, Dude,
I was like cuckoo cuckoo. But to say that I was like, you're too
smart. Like, I just knew she was too smart to not see something.
Does that make sense? And so like, I didn't get into energy work
at that point, necessarily. But I knew there was something going
on. And I will say a lot of psychotherapists that have a long
career like retired, like her mom was actually a psychotherapist
and retired, they get varying energy work too, because they
realized that trying to affect only the mind to get to the mental
body just doesn't work. Like there is


 


Amy Ledin  1:01:49


Because it's all, it's all connected, right?


 


Isaac Ho  1:01:51


Right, there are just multiple bodies. And I think that that's
why I'm really big on the mechanisms. Because if we think about
what it impacts and all the mechanisms, then we can do our best
to find a solution. But if we treat either energy or these other
things, there's a limit to the intellect of the human being. And
just like you said, it's like when you're for something happens,
and you make it this big thing. Was that true or not? I don't
know. But we just know you have the intellect of a four-year-old,
and you transfer that into your brain and stored it forever with
that intellect. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just
saying it was a four-year-old intellect. Right? So you probably
have heard this, that you can get wounded a certain age and stay
in that state until you heal that, right? Because your brain is
traumatized in that era. So the same thing for us, I think it's
how much intellect do we bring to the healing process? We can't
only be intuitive, because with only intuition, we could treat
symptoms forever. That's the problem. And with only (inaudible),
the other thing is we we can't conclude to find a path of
multiple mechanisms that may need to be treated. So if I'm only
an energy healer, I may run out of things to do, because I don't
have mechanisms available to me to make change in those engines.
Does that make sense? In nutrition, and that person is stressed
out of their mind killing themselves with neuroendocrine load.
And then maybe I'm a nutritionist who doesn't understand
toxicology, then now I'm missing engines that I need in order to
elicit a result. And that person is not going to detox fat.
Because those fat cells are so toxic, the heart would freak out.
That makes sense? Just considering the mechanism. So if you're
listening to this, just understand that the emotions, if they're
a mechanism that you haven't dealt with, it would probably be a
benefit for you to deal with that. But I think if you're
interested in learning the body and you're interested in healing,
then learning the mechanisms is really your key to understanding
how the thing that you live inside of and the thing that operates
you as a human being is really part of the greatest journey I
think you could ever go on.


 


Amy Ledin  1:03:57


That's amazing. I'm so excited for our next one. And, again,
thank you so much. We will have in the show notes like where you
can find Isaac, I will link that other you know, study just
again, to let your brain I'm big on your brain needs that proof
for those of you that are skeptical, and I love I love for us to
see those kinds of things, because then it really opens you up to
being open to something like this because a few years ago, I was
totally turned off by this. So I'm excited and thanks again and
we will see you next time.


 


Amy Ledin  1:04:32


Okay, I'm on a mission. As you know, if you've been following
along, I have a goal to be at top 100 podcasts. And it's less
about that top 100 and more about I want to make an impact. I
want more people to hear F* It! and learn from all of the
mistakes that I've made, along with me bringing on really special
guests for you. So my ask here is this. I want you to screenshot
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