In this episode, Ben is joined by Kelly and Hester Grainger, the
married co-founders of Perfectly Autistic.
Together they work with major organisations to build workplaces
that actually work for neurodivergent people but as Kelly (AuDHD)
and Hester (ADHD) explain, inclusion isn’t about a single
training session or a handful of adjustments.
They reflect on careers shaped by masking, burnout and trying to
fit systems that weren’t designed with neurodivergent people in
mind. Together they unpack why so many workplaces unintentionally
exclude ND employees, what genuinely neuroinclusive organisations
do differently, and why awareness has to go beyond a one-off
training session.
They also share the more personal side: exploring their own
careers, why Hester once had over 30 jobs, and what it’s like
running a business together as a neurodivergent couple.
If you’ve ever felt exhausted by work environments that don’t
quite fit your brain, this episode will help you see why - and
what could change.
Join us at hidden20.org/donate.
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Host: Ben Branson
Production Manager: Phoebe De Leiburné
Video Editor: James Scriven
Social Media Manager: Charlie Young
Music: Jackson Greenberg
Head of Marketing: Kristen Fuller
00:00 Introduction
1:26 Neurodiversity at Work | Hester & Kelly Grainger on
ADHD, Autism & Corporate Consulting
2:19 The #1 Thing Employers Need to Understand About
Neurodiversity in the Workplace
3:50 Supporting Neurodivergent Employees at Scale: What Actually
Works
7:26 Which Companies Are Asking for Neurodiversity Support at
Work?
8:31 ADHD & Autism at Work: Common Challenges and Simple
Workplace Adjustments
19:15 Who Is Responsible for Neurodiversity in the Workplace?
23:37 Why Neurodiversity Training Can’t Be a One-Off Session
& The Power Of Listening & Curiosity at Work
26:38 Neurodiversity Labels at Work: Why Language Around Autism
& ADHD Matters
33:16 Undiagnosed ADHD or Autism at Work: Your Rights as an
Employee
37:40 What Does The Dream Neuroinclusive Employer Look Like?
42:30 Neurodiversity & Recruitment
49:34 Running a Business Together as a Neurodivergent Couple
50:40 Kelly’s AuDHD Diagnosis: Telling Employers About ADHD &
Autism
53:48 Creating Safe Conversations About Neurodivergence &
Advocating For Yourself
57:43 Neurodivergent Workers Are Everywhere: Why Companies Need
to Adapt
59:30 What Do “Best in Class” Neuroinclusive Companies Do
Differently?
1:06:06 What Neurodivergent Candidates Should Look for in an
Employer
1:08:22 Practical Ways Employers Can Create Neuroinclusive
Workplaces
1:09:50 If Hester & Kelly Had a Magic Wand: The One Thing
They’d Change About Workplaces
1:19:26 Kelly & Hester’s Green Dot Badge
The Hidden 20% is a charity founded by AuDHD entrepreneur, Ben
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