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25.07.2025
42 Minuten
Lex chats with Harish Natarajan - Practice Manager, Financial
Inclusion and Infrastructure, Finance, Competitiveness &
Innovation at the World Bank, and Carlos Brandt - The Senior
Advisor for Pix at the Central Bank of Brazil. Together they
discuss the remarkable success of Pix, Brazil's real-time payment
system, which now sees over 6 billion transactions per month and
is used by more than 90% of the adult population and 80% of
companies. Lex explores how Pix was created by the Central Bank
of Brazil with strong public-private collaboration, backed by
regulatory authority and supported by a co-creation model with
stakeholders. Key to its adoption were a low-cost centralized
infrastructure, clear branding, mandatory participation by large
banks, and a robust national communication strategy. Globally,
Pix is seen as a leading example of fast payment system
deployment, driven by the central bank acting as a neutral
coordinator and scheme owner. Lex also examines the technical
architecture, built in-house by a surprisingly small team of
55–65 people, and how scalable infrastructure and extensibility
have enabled rapid growth and innovation.
NOTABLE DISCUSSION POINTS:
1. Pix achieved mass adoption through public-private co-creation
and legal mandate:
Pix now processes over 6 billion transactions per month, with 90%
of Brazil’s adult population and 80% of businesses actively using
it. Its success stems from a strategic legal mandate in 2013
granting the Central Bank regulatory and operational authority
over retail payments. The Central Bank then led a co-creation
process involving both public and private stakeholders through
the Pix Forum, fostering alignment, inclusivity, and strong
network effects.
2. A lean but powerful team built a nation-scale real-time
payments system:
The Pix infrastructure was built entirely in-house by a
relatively small team, 30-40 people for the technical
infrastructure layer and around 25 for the payment scheme layer.
It operates 24/7 with real-time settlement and uses centralized
infrastructure separate from Brazil’s traditional large-value
payment rails. This centralized, purpose-built architecture
dramatically lowered costs and enabled rapid rollout.
3. Strategic communication and mandated participation drove
adoption at scale:
The Central Bank led a national communication campaign to build
trust, establish a strong brand identity, and educate the public.
Simultaneously, it mandated major banks (with over 500,000 active
accounts) to join Pix, triggering widespread voluntary adoption
from smaller PSPs. The rollout included a restricted pilot phase
and emphasized user-friendly features like QR codes and aliases
to boost convenience and usage from day one.
TOPICS
Pix, Central Bank of Brazil, World Bank, Visa, Citibank, M-Pesa,
Alipay, SPI, fintech, payments, PSP, API, Fast Payments, Payments
Infrastructure, PayTech
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TIMESTAMPS
1’19: Building Pix from the Ground Up: Carlos Brandt on
Modernizing Brazil’s Payment Infrastructure
3’03: Fast Payments for Financial Inclusion: Harish Natarajan on
the World Bank’s Role in Modern Payment Infrastructure
4’29: From Cash to 5 Billion Transactions a Month: How Pix
Transformed Brazil’s Payment Ecosystem Through Public-Private
Collaboration
10’41: Why Pix Succeeded Where Others Struggled: The Power of
Neutral Coordination and Public-Private Synergy
12’40: Inside the Pix Forum: How Brazil Built a Collaborative
Process for Payment Innovation
15’07: Fast Payments at Scale: Market Coordination,
Infrastructure, and Global Lessons from Pix
20’55: Engineering Pix: How a Small Team Built Brazil’s 24/7
National Payments Infrastructure from Scratch
27’28: Driving Nationwide Adoption: How Strategic Communication
and Mandates Powered Pix’s Rollout Across Brazil
34’14: Scaling for Success: Why Communication, Extensibility, and
API Design Are Key to Evolving Payment Systems
37’23: Building Trust Through Cooperation: How Regulators Can
Foster Innovation While Balancing Public and Private Interests
40’06: The channels used to connect with Carlos & learn more
about The Central Bank of Brazil.
40’39: The channels used to connect with Harish & learn more
about The World Bank
Disclaimer here — this newsletter does not provide investment
advice and represents solely the views and opinions of FINTECH
BLUEPRINT LTD.
Contributors: Lex, Laurence, Matt, Farhad, Mike, Daniella
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15.07.2025
40 Minuten
Lex speaks with Ali Niknam, CEO and founder of Bunq, a leading
European neobank. Ali shares Bunq’s journey from its founding
during the financial crisis to becoming Europe’s second-largest
neobank. The conversation explores Bunq’s user-centric
philosophy, innovative products, and unique organizational
design. Ali discusses overcoming regulatory challenges,
prioritizing cultural values, and fostering accountability within
teams. The episode also examines the complexities of the European
fintech landscape and Bunq’s mission to revolutionize banking by
focusing on user needs and continuous improvement.
MENTIONED IN THE CONVERSATION
Topics: Bunq, ING, Revolut, Betterment, Synapse, TransIP,
Fintech, banking, crypto, neobank, challenger bank, culture,
Europe, VC
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TIMESTAMPS
1’09: Bunq’s Bold Mission: Ali Niknam on Reinventing Banking for
the Modern User
6’27: Building from the Core: Why Bunq Chose the Hard Road to
Reinvent Banking
10’08: Bootstrapped Banking: Building Bunq Without External
Capital or Compromise
13’56: Launching the Future: Bringing Innovation to Market with
Bunq’s First 45-Person Team
17’35: From Payments to Personalization: How Users Drove a Decade
of Product Innovation
19’52: Designing for Eva: How Bunq Rebuilt Its Organization
Around the User, Not the Org Chart
22’02: Beyond Titles: How Bunq’s Ownership-Driven Culture
Redefines Teams, KPIs, and Hierarchy
28’14: Culture Over Compensation: How Bunq Attracts
Mission-Aligned Talent Without Relying on Equity
35’06: Europe’s Tech Paradox: Why Innovation Thrives Despite
Fragmentation—and What Must Change
39’11: The channels used to connect with Ali & learn more
about Bunq
43’07: The channels used to connect with Edward & learn more
about Zerohash
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Contributors: Lex, Laurence, Matt, Farhad, Mike, Daniella
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27.06.2025
44 Minuten
Lex chats with Edward Woodford - CEO of Zerohash. They
discuss Zerohash’s growth, the rise of stablecoins, and the
evolving fintech landscape. Edward explains how stablecoins now
make up half of Zerohash’s volume, highlights regulatory shifts
in the U.S. and abroad, and explores the distinction between
crypto and stablecoins. The conversation covers usability
challenges, emerging payment use cases, and the future of
embedded finance, emphasizing the need for regulatory clarity and
collaboration between fintechs and traditional financial
institutions.
Notable discussion points:
1. Stablecoins Overtake Crypto in Volume: Stablecoins now make up
over 50% of Zerohash’s volume, driven by regulatory clarity and
real-world use cases like payments and treasury. Institutions
prefer them for their centralized control and ease of
integration.
2. Brokerage and Payments Are Converging: Zerohash sees strong
demand across brokerage and payment rails, with banks and
fintechs embedding stablecoin infrastructure. Global payouts,
account funding, and subscriptions are key growth areas despite
UX friction.
3. Regulatory Climate Is Rapidly Improving: U.S. policy has
shifted from regulatory overreach to bipartisan support for
stablecoin legislation. This change is unlocking institutional
adoption, with banks now moving aggressively into crypto and
digital assets.
MENTIONED IN THE CONVERSATION
Topics: Zerohash, MoonPay, Transak, Ramp, Stripe, BlackRock,
Franklin Templeton, Hamilton Lane, Morgan Stanley, Charles
Schwab, SoFi, Uniswap, fintech, web3, digital assets, blockchain,
tokenization, rwas, stablecoin, crypto, regulation
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TIMESTAMPS
1’51: From Crisis to Convergence: Edward Woodford on Scaling
Zerohash and the Future of Embedded Crypto Infrastructure
5’06: Scaling the Pie, Not Stealing Slices: Rethinking Volume,
Margins, and Meaningful Growth in Digital Asset Infrastructure
10’02: The Great Rebrand: How Stablecoins Are Shedding the
'Crypto' Label and Reshaping Digital Finance
15’22: From Overreach to Opportunity: How Regulatory Pushback in
the U.S. Sparked a Global Shift Toward Stablecoin Adoption
20’31: The Semantics of Trust: Why ‘Stablecoin’ Sells and
‘Crypto’ Scares - and Why the Framing Now Matters More Than Ever
22’36: Unlocking Real Utility: Why Stablecoin Payments Are
Finally Poised to Scale Across Commerce and Subscriptions
30’50: Disrupting the Rails: How Stablecoins Are Reshaping the
Power Dynamics of Global Payments
34’49: The New Brokerage Mandate: Why Every Platform Is Racing to
Add Crypto - and What’s Unlocking the Shift
39’03: Rewiring Financial Infrastructure: How Stablecoins and
Super Apps Are Forcing Banks to Rethink Risk and Relevance
43’07: The channels used to connect with Edward & learn more
about Zerohash
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BLUEPRINT LTD.
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16.06.2025
50 Minuten
Lex chats with Yuval Rooz, CEO and co-founder of Digital Asset,
about the company’s transformation from its early institutional
blockchain experiments to launching the Canton Network - a
purpose-built, privacy-enabled smart contract platform designed
for financial markets. Rooz shares insights into why Digital
Asset was inspired by Bitcoin’s financial principles rather than
its technical assumptions, highlighting the importance of
rethinking blockchain infrastructure rather than replicating
flawed legacy models. He also unpacks the hard lessons from
high-stakes projects like the Australian Stock Exchange overhaul,
emphasizing why large-scale financial infrastructure must evolve
incrementally to succeed. Finally, the conversation dives into
Canton’s unique tokenomics, where 70% of block rewards go to the
developers and users who create economic activity on the network,
challenging traditional validator-centric models and aligning
incentives more fairly for long-term ecosystem growth.
Notable discussion points:
1. Canton’s innovative tokenomics: Unlike Ethereum, where
validators capture most of the rewards, Canton allocates 70% of
block rewards to developers and applications, creating
sustainable alignment.
2. Lessons from ASX: Rooz reflects on the failed ASX blockchain
migration, advocating for iterative upgrades rather than “big
bang” infrastructure transformations.
3. True tokenization: Rooz critiques superficial on-chain IOU
models, asserting that real tokenization must place the asset’s
books and records natively on-chain to unlock the benefits of
DeFi and composability.
MENTIONED IN THE CONVERSATION
Topics: Digital Asset, Canton Network, DRW, ASX, Ethereum,
Bitcoin, Plaid, DAML, fintech, web3, tokenization, digital
assets, financial infrastructure, DeFi, onchain
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TIMESTAMPS
1’28: From Wall Street to Web3: Yuval Rooz on Founding Digital
Asset and the Birth of the Canton Network
4’29: Rethinking Blockchain: Rejecting Ethereum’s Assumptions to
Build a Better Financial Infrastructure
8’18: Getting Banks to Say Yes: Bridging Blockchain Innovation
with Regulatory Reality
12’43: Blockchain at Scale: Lessons from the ASX Project and Why
Incremental Innovation Beats Big Bang Deployments
21’27: Agile by Design: How Canton Aims to Bring Continuous
Delivery to Decentralized Blockchain Networks
23’50: Beyond the Hype: Why Crypto Needs Pragmatism, Not Just
Vision, to Integrate with Financial Institutions
27’08: From DAML to Canton: Building Scalable, Privacy-First
Infrastructure for Real-World Finance
30’52: Redefining Tokenization: Real On-Chain Finance at Scale
with Trillions in Assets on Canton
35’34: Solving the Tokenization Gap: Bridging Legacy
Infrastructure with Decentralized Architecture
39’13: Seeding Web3 with Real Assets: Canton’s Strategy to Power
DeFi with Institutional-Grade Infrastructure
41’33: Custom Rules, Shared Rails: How Canton Balances
Decentralization with Regulatory Flexibility
44’30: Aligning Incentives: How Canton’s Tokenomics and Fair
Launch Redefine Value Creation on Chain
49’35: The channels used to connect with Yuval & learn more
about Digital Asset and Canton Network
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30.05.2025
43 Minuten
Lex chats with Stani Kulechov - founder and CEO of Aave, a
leading decentralized finance (DeFi) protocol. They explore the
evolution of DeFi, Aave’s growth, and its architectural shift
from a peer-to-peer model to pooled liquidity. Stani reflects on
the early days of DeFi, the impact of the FTX collapse, and the
increasing adoption of DeFi over centralized exchanges. They
discuss Aave’s strategies for attracting assets, the importance
of capital efficiency, and future innovations, including the
tokenization of real-world assets and the role of stablecoins.
Notable discussion points:
1. Aave Reaches $40 Billion in Net Deposits: Stani Kulechov
shared that Aave has achieved a record-breaking $40 billion in
net deposits and $25 billion in active liquidity, making it the
largest DeFi lending protocol ever by total value locked (TVL).
2. DeFi’s Evolution from Peer-to-Peer to Liquidity Hubs: The
conversation detailed Aave’s architectural shift from early
peer-to-peer lending models to pooled liquidity and now to a
hub-and-spoke model with Aave V4 — designed to balance capital
efficiency and risk segregation for both native crypto and
real-world assets (RWAs).
3. The Rise of Real-World Assets and Stablecoins in DeFi:
Kulechov emphasized that tokenized real-world assets (like
treasuries) and decentralized stablecoins (such as Aave's GHO)
are reshaping the DeFi landscape, predicting RWAs will outgrow
both stablecoins and native crypto assets in total value locked
within five years.
MENTIONED IN THE CONVERSATION
Topics: Aave, Lens Protocol, GHO, Horizon, FTX, Project Guardian,
AaveDAO, MakerDAO, Web3, DeFi, Lending, stablecoins, tokens, RWA,
decentralized finance, capital markets, DAO, Digital Assets
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TIMESTAMPS
1’11: DeFi at $40B: How a Lending Protocol Redefined Blockchain
Finance
9’06: From Peer-to-Peer to Liquidity Hubs: Evolving the
Architecture of DeFi Lending
15’01: DeFi's Growth Curve: From Airdrops to Institutional
Adoption After FTX
20’49: Scaling Safely: How a Lending Protocol Outpaced Rivals
Through Capital Efficiency and Brand Trust
24’34: Beyond Infrastructure: Why Token Issuers Need Capital
Markets, Not Just DeFi Hype
28’33: Building Beyond Lending: How a Stablecoin and
Institutional Arm Power DeFi Profitability
31’33: From JPMorgan to BlackRock: How Horizon Bridges
Institutions to On-Chain Finance
35’18: Tokenized Treasuries and the Future of DeFi: Why RWAs Will
Eclipse Stablecoins by 2030
39’36: From Fragmentation to Focus: Why DeFi’s Future Depends on
Application Layers, Not More Chains
41’47: The channels used to connect with Stani & learn more
about Aave and Avara
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