CC: Philip Cunliffe - The Return of the National Interest?

The Conflicted Community is delighted to welcome back on to the
show Philip Cunliffe, Associate Professor of International
Relations at UCL and co-host of BungaCast! In this insightful
conversation, Thomas and Philip dive into his new book, "The
National Interest: Politics After Globalization."  They trace
the evolution of the national interest from medieval times to
today, discussing its distinction from nationalism and how it can
foster genuine international cooperation. The episode also explores
the rise and fall of national interest politics in the 20th
century, contrasting it with earlier and later forms of
globalization. Philip and Thomas then unpack the surprising
relationship between progressive neoliberalism and populism,
showing how these seemingly opposing forces often reinforce each
other. They then tackle the crucial challenge of building new
nations in a diverse, post-industrial world, emphasizing the
importance of shared political will and collective interest, and
offering a compelling argument for why a renewed focus on the
national interest is vital for navigating 21st-century politics and
revitalizing democratic engagement. To listen to the full episode,
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