Net Zero has become a religion: Claire Coutinho on climate, identity and cooking

The Shadow Energy Minister has transformed her party's approach
to climate policy.


In this extended conversation, Claire Coutinho sets out what
changed her mind on net zero, a shift that has brought her into
fierce debates with her opposite number, Ed Miliband.


She also shares her feelings about what she calls a rising
"ethno-nationalism" on the right of British politics, as well as
her reaction to her colleague Robert Jenrick's comments about
Birmingham.


Nick asks how she ended up being sacked by Nigella Lawson, and
sets up a future dinner party with Miliband.


Producer: Daniel Kraemer Research: Chloe Desave Sound: Jed Sudlow
and Andy Mills Editor: Jonathan Brunert