Robert Macfarlane: Rivers Are Dying So Give Them Rights

Serious pollution incidents by water companies in England rose by
60% last year, but the best-selling author Robert Macfarlane says
there is a way to save our rivers.


Days after a long-awaited review of the water sector in England
and Wales was published, Amol sat down with Robert for a
conversation about the state of rivers globally, why some are
dying and how we can save them.


From President Donald Trump's dismantling of the Clean Water Act
in the US to the dying River Wye, Robert takes us on a journey
around the world and explains why he is optimistic about the
future.


He says we can do things like give our rivers rights and mobilise
citizen scientists to save them.


Robert also digs out Amol's report card from when he taught him
at Cambridge University more than twenty years ago.


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Amol Rajan is a presenter of the Today programme on BBC Radio 4.
He is also the host of University Challenge on BBC One. Before
that, Amol was media editor at the BBC and editor at The
Independent. Radical with Amol Rajan is a Today Podcast.


It was made by Lewis Vickers with Izzy Rowley. Digital production
was by Gabriel Purcell-Davis. Technical production was by Rohan
Madison. The editor is Sam Bonham. The executive producer is
Owenna Griffiths.