CC: Hamza Howidy – Protest, Exile, and a Post-Hamas Vision of Gaza

This week, Thomas speaks with Hamza Howidy, a Palestinian activist
originally from Gaza now living in exile in Germany. Hamza shares
his extraordinary story of growing up under Hamas rule and the
constant threat of Israeli military action on the one hand, and the
brutality of Hamas on the other.   Hamza was forced to leave
Gaza due to his involvement in protests against Hamas in 2019 and
2023, taking the dangerous journey across the Mediterranean from
Turkey to Europe to do so. Hamza offers a vital and nuanced
perspective on life in Gaza, the internal political dynamics
between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, and his vision for a
future free from Hamas's governance. He candidly discusses the
brutal realities faced by those who dissent against Hamas and his
own experiences of protest and imprisonment. To listen to the full
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