At Loggerheads with Reality

What does it mean to be at loggerheads with reality?


"If a person who is at loggerheads with reality possesses an
artistic gift... he can transform his phantasies into artistic
creations instead of symptoms."


— Sigmund Freud, Five Lectures on Psycho-Analysis (1910)


In this episode of the Dash Arts Podcast, Artistic Director
Josephine Burton dives into two powerful
exhibitions that challenge how we understand women, art, and
mental health:


Women & Freud: Patients, Pioneers, Artists –
curated by Lisa Appignanesi and Bryony Davies


Charlotte Johnson Wahl: What It Felt Like – at
Bethlem Museum of the Mind


Both exhibitions showcase art that reframes women’s stories and
reclaims narratives of mental wellbeing.


Josephine is joined by writer and long-term Dash Arts
collaborator Hattie Naylor to discuss these
themes in the context of their latest project, The Degenerates—a
new production that will explore the overlooked female artists of
Dr. Hans Prinzhorn’s groundbreaking collection.


From 1919 to 1922, Prinzhorn gathered extraordinary artworks from
psychiatric patients across Europe, publishing The Artistry of
the Mentally Ill—a book that profoundly influenced 20th-century
art. But while his collection celebrated creativity beyond the
bounds of convention, many female artists were left out of the
story. The Degenerates seeks to set the record straight.


Listen as we uncover hidden histories, challenge perceptions, and
explore the intersection of art, mental health, and power.


See pictures from the two exhibitions on the Dash Arts podcast
page. And you can follow our research towards The Degenerates on
the Dash Arts blog:
https://www.dasharts.org.uk/blog/our-artistic-director-on-research-for-a-new-dash-production 


In this episode we hear from:


Josephine Burton - Artistic Director of Dash Arts


Hattie Naylor - Writer & Visual Artist


Lisa Appignanesi - Writer and Curator 


Colin Gale - Director of Bethlam Museum of the Mind


Rebecca Raybone - Collections and Exhibitions Officer Bethlam
Museum of the Mind


Marie Horner - Podcast Producer of Dash Arts





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