Can you smash the gangs to stop the boats?

Keir Starmer has said Labour will “smash the gangs” to stop the
small boats carrying migrants across the Channel, so Nick joins
Amol from the busiest border crossing in Europe to discuss
whether that’s really possible.


They hear from Syrian men living in a Bulgarian refugee camp and
meet a sniffer dog who can detect rubber boats being taken across
the border. Plus, they answer your questions about the issues
raised in Nick’s reporting and what it’s like taking Today on the
road.


The Today Podcast is hosted by Amol Rajan and Nick Robinson who
are both presenters of BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. Amol was
the BBC’s media editor for six years and is the former editor of
the Independent, he’s also the current presenter of University
Challenge. Nick has presented the Today programme since 2015, he
was the BBC’s political editor for ten years before that and also
previously worked as ITV’s political editor.


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The Today Podcast was made by Lewis Vickers with Nadia Gyane and
Joe Wilkinson in London and Jade Bogart-Preleur and Oscar Pearson
in Bulgaria. The technical producers were Philip Bull and Joe
Lawrence. The editor is Louisa Lewis. The executive producer is
Owenna Griffiths.