Ep. 141: Anders Liu-Lindberg - INFLUENCING as a Business Partner

Contact Anders:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersliulindberg/


IMA's Count Me In Ep.
45: Anders Liu-Lindberg - "Insight x Influence =
IMPACT": https://podcast.imanet.org/45


Additional Resources from Anders:


Link to book:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Create-value-Finance-Business-Partner/dp/1724850741

Link to the ebook:
https://businesspartneringinstitute.org/research-and-networks/#insights

Link to blog:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersliulindberg/detail/recent-activity/posts/



FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPTAdam: (00:05)
 Welcome back to count me in IMA's podcast about all things
affecting the accounting and finance world. I'm your host, Adam
Larson. And this is episode 141 of our series. For today's
conversation, we welcome back Anders Liu-Linberg. Anders is an
advisor to senior finance and FP&A leaders on how to succeed
with business partnering. He is a partner, the chief operating
officer and the chief marketing officer for the business
partnering Institute. Back in episode 45 of count me in Anders
talked about how insight time influence equals impact when it
comes to business partnering. In this episode, he focuses on the
influence piece of that equation and shares how business
professionals can increase their influence across the
organization. Keep listening to hear more about business
partnering and contributing to overall impact. 
 
 Mitch: (00:58)
 So first Anders, thank you for joining us again in our
first podcast episode, I know we really talked about, business
partnering at a little bit of a higher level. You know, you gave
us your definition of insights, times influence equals impact,
and we really appreciated all that information you shared. So we
wanted to bring you back and for today's conversation, we really
want to dive into the influence piece of that equation and how,
developing influence leads to more effective business partnering.
So to start off our conversation, you know, as far as influence
goes, what is the first step? You know, what does it take to be
an influential business leader? 
 
 Anders: (01:36)
 So if you're a finance professional today and you want to
influence business leaders, I guess the first simple step that
you need to take is to identify who are those business leaders
that you're most likely to be supporting, because that are always
clear to people, right? So who is, who's my stakeholder, who is
this person or these few people that I need to influence? I think
that's, that's really step number one. And then step number two,
once you have intensified them is really to reach out to them and
say, Hey, you know, I used to work in accounting and finance, and
now when I get closer to the business and, you know, help you
drive your agenda, can we have a talk about what you're doing and
how it can maybe help, right? So then you can have the first
conversation and of course, then you build on it from there, but
at two steps, identify and engage and then, you know, we can get
it into the more details. 
 
 Mitch: (02:33)
 And then the business leaders that you work with, they're
not always just interested in data and reports, right? There's a
little bit more of a relationship, I think that has to be built,
especially when we talk about business partnering. So as far as
influence, how can I become part of the team? 
 
 Anders: (02:49)
 Yeah. So, so key for someone to send to you is obviously
that they trust you and in any kind of human relation, you know,
we want to get to know people before we start to trust in them,
of course, from a finance and accounting perspective, we come
often with the numbers and with the data and, you know, the
foundation is that they can trust those, right? If our accounting
is not working so well and the numbers keep changing, I mean, we
need to fix that foundation first because otherwise there's not
going to be any trust. The second bit is then to develop the
interpersonal trust and build the relationship that can best too,
by spending as much time as possible with your stakeholders. So
today many finance teams, you know, they sit on their own floor
in the building and they sit together and they do finance stuff.
But if you want to build relationships with business leaders, you
got to get out from that cubicle and move your desk and your
chair down to those people you want to support and sit with them,
if not for a full week, then at least three to four days a week.
And then maybe you can one day finance because that's the best
way to build trust, to be around them, you know, have the coffee
side chat and all those small info and sometimes follow up is
that we need to do, because that's how you get to know people.
And if you don't know people, they probably don't trust you
either. 
 
 Mitch: (04:09)
 That's a great point. And it is a lot of times I feel some
of those more casual conversations as well, where you kind of
learn about each other. So putting yourself out there and kind of
forcing that opportunity, I think is a great recommendation, kind
of building on this, you know, a little bit more, as far as the
steps, is there a proven structure, you know, that could help me
to really start influencing these business leaders and the
decision-making, you know, beyond the relationships. Now let's
get back into the business a little bit. 
 
 Anders: (04:36)
 Yeah. So we generally have like a three-step process you
could follow. The first step is what we already talked about is
to identify your stakeholders or the business leaders that you
want to support. And then do a small, let's say a desktop, a
biography of analysis and say, how strong is my current
relationship with these stakeholders? How much influence do they
have in decision making? And what are the currently thinking
about, right? Because then you sort of know, you know, that the
important ones where the relationship is maybe not so strong and
then maybe they don't have such a good impression of you. That's
where you need to start to identify the person and say, Hey, I
want to sit down, have a lunch or talk with you. So at that talk
with our coffee or lunch, or virtual, whatever it might be, you
sit down and talk about three things, introduce yourselves if you
haven't done that already talk about how their business is going
and then, you know, get an idea about what do they think about
finances right now, because that tells you one of their
priorities and what do they think if you. Then you had, when
you've had that talk would be half an hour, an hour, it doesn't
have to be long. Then you go back to them and say, thanks for
having that chat with me. Now, I know more about your, let's say
your top three priorities. Now I want to try to help you. So, can
we discuss how it can be a part of that? And so maybe they have
some priorities. Some are maybe very far out in terms of this
transformation or some very customer centric things, but some of
it could be very relevant also to finance and accounting to get
involved in. So you might pick one of that top roads and say, I'm
going to spend some time analyzing the numbers and figuring
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