"How Can We All Make it into the Future?" - Episode #42: Zoë Ryan in conversation with Gabriel Kozlowski

In this episode of "How Can We All Make it into the Future?",
Daniel W Dietrich, II Director, Institute of Contemporary Art,
University of Pennsylvania Zoë Ryan talks to
architect and assistant curator for the 17th International
Architecture Exhibition – La Biennale di Venezia 2021,
Gabriel Kozlowski about the importance of
keeping up with the contemporary thinking and interconnections
between art, architecture, and design in Ryan's curatorial
practice. They discuss the interdisciplinary way of thinking
about art and its role within society and what makes something
contemporary.