257: John Congleton (the pAper ChAse, Music Producer)

John Congleton and Joe first met 22 years ago in Denton, TX.
John's band, the pAper chAse shared a bill with Joe's band at the
time. In the intervening years, John has distinguished himself as
one of the most innovative and in-demand producers of his
generation, working with scores of artists such as: Sharon Van
Etten, Blondie, St. Vincent, Angel Olsen, and Wye Oak. John and
Joe discuss: depression, empathy, the power of saying no,
learning to trust your instincts, existential dread, and more!