From Java EE over EE4j to Jakarta EE

A conversation with Mike Milinkovich @mmilinkov, about Cobol, APL,
Smalltalk, Visual Age for Java, WebGain, TopLink, "The Object
People". Canadians run the Java World, Eclipse, plugins and OSGi,
pragmatic modularization, the First Executive Eclipse Director,
Mark's Cavage role in opensourcing Java EE ee4j name confusion, the
Jakarta EE brand and logo, the migration from Java EE to Jakarta
EE, why it is not possible to rename ee4j to Jakarta EE, working
50% on Jakarta EE, working with Oracle lawyers, why not all JSR
specs can not be contributed by Oracle, dealing with old
specifications, how to contribute to Jakarta EE project, how to
become a Jakarta EE committer, the difference between Eclipse
Foundation agreements and other foundations, becoming an Eclipse
member, becoming a member steering committee, hacking the Jakarta
EE process by becoming a member without paying money, the Jakarta
EE release cadence, different cadences between ee4j and Jakarta EE,
who decides what at Jakarta EE / Eclipse, specs become opensource
projects, committer based merocratacy, how to start a new Jakarta
EE subproject, Jakarta EE is "code first", Microsoft joins Jakarta
EE, the dangers of profiles, no politics, the specification Jakarta
EE committee decides about profiles.