Episode 65: CHAOSS and Sustain: A Joint Podcast

Panelists Pia Mancini Richard Littauer Guests Venia Logan Brian
Proffitt Georg Link Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Today,
our episode is a shared podcast between Sustain and CHAOSScast.
Along with Richard and Pia, we have Georg Link, Venia Logan, and
Brian Proffitt joining us from CHAOSScast. We had the idea to do
this special episode because there’s a lot of work happening on
sustaining software and understanding the health of our
communities, and CHAOSS focuses on what open source development is,
how it works, what communities are, and how you can find metrics to
figure out how something is. So, we will learn about these metrics
they use, the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program, and the
several areas that CHAOSS has to get involved in. Also, we learn
about Sustain, how it started, what they do, and find out what
Georg says works well for the Sustain community that brought him
in. Also, find out where you can get involved in both the CHAOSS
community and Sustain community. Download this episode now to find
out more! [00:03:24] Richard wants to know: If metrics lose some of
the qualitative aspects of communities by focusing on quantitative
metrics, how is this approach not stripping away the heart of open
source? [00:08:49] Pia wonders what are the most important
qualitative metrics CHAOSS is evaluating. Georg tells us how they
established the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program (D&I
Badging) at CHAOSS. [00:14:16] Richard wonders if they’ve found a
lot of uptake for the badges and if people have started using them.
[00:14:53] Georg tells us how people can get involved besides
joining the working group. He explains three main areas that CHAOSS
has to get involved. [00:19:53] Pia tells us what Sustain is, how
it started, and what they do. [00:22:18] Venia talks about the
concept of what a company, organization, or community is to people,
and how they want to see something happen, so they ask for more
structure. Pia tells us about Open Collective. [00:26:24] Pia
brings up doing the first Sustain and the first insights they wrote
from the meeting about maintainers. [00:28:44] Venia talks about
her consultation services and how she works with other companies to
produce community strategies. Georg tells us what he thinks works
well for the Sustain community and what brought him in. [00:31:29]
Richard gives praises to Gunner and Pia for all the work they’ve
done with Sustain, and Pia shares with us about having concerns the
first time they did an event with a lot of people. [00:33:32] Georg
tells where you can get involved in the CHAOSS community and
Richard tells us where you can get involved in the Sustain
community. Spotlight [00:35:21] Georg’s spotlight is an open source
project called the Toolkit for YNAB. [00:36:24] Venia’s spotlight
is Scribus. [00:37:36] Pia’s spotlight is Open Prioritization by
Igalia. [00:38:30] Brian’s spotlight is reMarkable 2. [00:40:28]
Richard’s spotlight is the Audubon Christmas Bird Count. Links
SustainOSS (https://sustainoss.org/) SustainOSS Discourse
(https://discourse.sustainoss.org/) Sustain Working Groups
(https://sustainoss.org/working-groups/) CHAOSS
(https://chaoss.community/) CHAOSScast Podcast
(https://podcast.chaoss.community/) CHAOSS News
(https://chaoss.community/news/) CHAOSS Software
(https://chaoss.community/software/) CHAOSS D&I Badging Program
(https://chaoss.community/diversity-and-inclusion-badging/)
CHAOSS-How to Participate (https://chaoss.community/participate/)
FOSS Backstage (https://foss-backstage.de/) Toolkit for YNAB-GitHub
(https://github.com/toolkit-for-ynab/toolkit-for-ynab) Scribus
(https://www.scribus.net/) Open Prioritization by Igalia
(https://www.igalia.com/open-prioritization/index) reMarkable 2
(https://remarkable.com/) Audobon Christmas Bird Count
(https://www.audubon.org/conservation/science/christmas-bird-count)
Audobon Christmas Bird Count Map of Active Circles
(https://audubon.maps.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=fadfb421e95f4949bde20c29a38228bd&extent=-77.2393,42.0593,-68.0108,45.5197)
Birding in Vermont (https://birdinginvermont.com/) Credits Produced
by Richard Littauer (https://www.burntfen.com/) Edited by Paul M.
Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/) Show
notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound
(https://www.peachtreesound.com/) Special Guests: Brian Proffitt,
Georg Link, and Samantha Venia Logan.