Episode 87: Ewa Jodlowska, Jackie Augustine, and how the PSF managed PyCon during COVID

Guest Ewa Jodlowska Jackie Augustine Panelists Eric Berry | Justin
Dorfman | Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain!
The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long
haul. We are super excited to have two guests with us, Ewa
Jodlowska, who is the Executive Director of the Python Software
Foundation and has been with the PSF since 2012. We also have
Jackie Augustine, who is the Director of Events at the Python
Software Foundation and she joined the PSF in 2018 to assist in the
planning of PyCon US. Today, we’re going to talk with Ewa and
Jackie about how PyCon works, which is the largest annual gathering
for the community using and developing open-source Python
programming language. Since PyCon US 2021 had to go virtual this
year, we learn what they’ve done different, using Hubilo as their
event platform, sponsors feedback, how attendance was, the value of
these conferences, and if they would ever go hybrid. Also, we learn
about a successful virtual job fair that Jackie did this year for
PSF and find out the one thing she’s most excited for the next
PyCon. Download this episode to find out much from Ewa and Jackie!
[00:03:23] Ewa fills us in how PyCon US is different from PyCon.
Jackie tells us what they’ve done since last year and how they’ve
adapted since COVID came through. [00:06:08] Jackie tells us why
they went with Hubilo as their event platform, and how the sponsors
feedback was for the virtual experience overall. [00:08:14] Justin
asks how the attendance was for the virtual event. Also, he wonders
if going forward if they see themselves doing a hybrid. [00:12:34]
Richard is curious to know from Jackie and Ewa if an ecosystem
level of analysis of what PSF does and what their conferences are,
influenced their decisions at all and is there anything they’re
doing to make it more sustainable ecologically. Also, Jackie tells
us how international attendance was at their conference. [00:15:12]
Ewa talks about the “value” of these conferences for the ecosystem
as a whole and what would happen if we just never have them again.
[00:17:03] Jackie tells us about the successful job fair she did
this year which was a virtual set up. [00:18:52] Richard asks if
they’ve looked into moving beyond the single annual convention
format. [00:21:08] Eric could only imagine what Jackie must go
through in the weeks prior to the conference and asks her to talk a
bit about the experience on an emotional level that she goes
through, and she tells us what she learned through this process
that she didn’t expect. [00:24:17] Richard asks if there’s any way
Jackie’s made or plans on making it easier for people who come to
the conference to join in the decision-making process for a PSF, to
join into working groups and feel like they’re a part of something
bigger than just watching a talk, and how has that shaped how
you’re planning future models. [00:25:51] What is Jackie most
excited about in the future for the next PyCon? [00:26:01] You can
find out from Ewa where to follow PSF, where you can sign up to go
the conferences, and where you can follow Jackie online to connect
with her. Quotes [00:08:52] “In the end, you know, we had our
goals, we had our tiers of goals, and we hit what we thought we
would hit, and we were successful in that.” [00:10:21] “I think the
question that we’re asking ourselves is, do you actually take that
component out in their ability for anybody to attend whether they
feel comfortable traveling or not.” [00:11:29] “When you add
something like a hybrid event, you’re really planning two events at
the same time, so that really changes up how we’re able to do that
with the resources that we have.” [00:13:02] “Some of the things
that we’re doing or planning on doing is like the swag papers and
all that is going away moving forward, so we’re taking the steps.
We work with the convention centers as well and make sure that they
are doing their part in the sustainability and things like that.”
[00:13:51] “Yes, it’s been wonderful for the environment that we’ve
all kind of had to reset and stay home, but I also think that’s
going to have a little bit of an adverse effect because now
everyone is going to be like, oh my gosh, I want to be together,
you know, whenever that can happen.” [00:15:32] “And I feel like
actually there are hundreds of people that attend PyCon that
probably never go to a talk. All the value that’s there for them is
to network with people, to talk about their projects with people,
to have, you know, their projects be seen and tested, whatever the
case might be.” [00:19:30] But then PyCon went to Cleveland, but
that I think also helped reinforce a lot of the attendance when you
looked at the numbers and how many people attended from Ohio was
really incredible, right, so it kind of brought the larger scale
portion of it.” [00:24:40] “We rely a lot of volunteer committees.”
[00:25:51] “What are you most excited about in the future for the
next PyCon? Seeing faces! Makes sense, checks out, I get it!”
Spotlight [00:27:55] Justin’s spotlight is a Linkedin 2.0 site
called Polywork.com. and if you use the VIP code:
sustainopensource, so you can get in on it. [00:28:31] Eric’s
spotlight is an online game called Pardus. [00:29:19] Richard’s
spotlight is Bohemian Bakery in Montpelier, Vermont. [00:30:09]
Ewa’s spotlight is two software platforms, Registrasion and
Symposion. [00:31:47] Jackie’s spotlight is sustainability for
everything that the PSF does and the ability to have this position.
Links SustainOSS (https://sustainoss.org/) SustainOSS Twitter
(https://twitter.com/SustainOSS?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
Ewa Jodlowska Twitter (https://twitter.com/ewa_jodlowska) Jackie
Augustine Twitter (https://twitter.com/jackiea_pycon?lang=en)
Hubilo (https://hubilo.com/) PyCon (https://us.pycon.org/2021/)
PyCon US Twitter (https://twitter.com/pycon) Python Software
Foundation Twitter (https://twitter.com/thePSF) Python Software
Foundation Newsletter (https://www.python.org/psf/newsletter/)
Python (https://www.python.org/) PyCon US 2021-YouTube
(https://www.youtube.com/c/PyConUS) PyOhio 2021
(https://www.pyohio.org/2021/) Polywork (https://www.polywork.com/)
Pardus (https://www.pardus.at/) Bohemian Bakery
(https://www.bohemianbakeryvt.com/) Symposion-GitHub
(https://github.com/pinax/symposion) Registrasion-GitHub
(https://github.com/chrisjrn/registrasion) Credits Produced by
Richard Littauer (https://www.burntfen.com/) Edited by Paul M. Bahr
at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/) Show notes by
DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Special Guests: Ewa Jodlowska and Jackie Augustine.