Episode 154: Clare Dillon of InnerSource Commons on OSPOs and the Open Ireland Network

Guest Clare Dillon Panelists Richard Littauer | Leslie Hawthorn |
Justin Dorfman Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast
where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul.
Today, we are excited to have joining us Clare Dillon, who’s the
Executive Director of InnerSource Commons and works with the OSPO++
Network to support the establishment of University and Government
Open Source Program Offices globally. In 2021, she Co-founded Open
Ireland Network, which is a community of people talking about open
source in Ireland. Our discussions today take us through how Clare
got into open source and involved with InnerSource Commons, their
relationship with the TODO Group, and the importance of the
Japanese community in the InnerSource Commons. Also, since Clare
Co-founded the Open Ireland Network, she fills us in on what it is,
and gives an overview of the research and her findings from a
report that was produced with the Irish government on, “Open Source
and InnerSource Skills in Ireland: A Call for Action.” There is
much more, so download this episode now! [00:02:07] Clare shares
her background story of how she got into open source, how she
joined an Irish company called Nearform, and meeting Danese Cooper,
who introduced her to open source and the concept of InnerSource.
[00:04:48] We hear how Clare got involved with InnerSource Commons
with Danese Cooper. [00:06:47] When talking about InnerSource
Commons, Clare goes in depth on how many people are active members,
separate members, and since it’s a 501(c)(3), how big the budget
is. She also explains how InnerSource is more about the methods and
practices. [00:11:31] Leslie wonders if Clare has found in her
experience that organizations that come to InnerSource who may not
have any experience with open source are more disposed to community
engagement or doing co-development outside of the firewall after
they get that experience with InnerSource. [00:16:11] Clare tells
us her thoughts about the long-term implications for the health of
the open source ecosystem. [00:19:11] On the InnerSource Commons
website there is English and Japanese, and we find out how active
it is for the people who speak Japanese into InnerSource.
[00:21:01] We hear about the InnerSource Commons relationship to
the TODO Group and Anna Jiménez, who’s a community participant at
InnerSource Commons as well. [00:22:34] Since Clare is the
Co-founder of Open Ireland Network, she tells us what it is and
gives an overview of the research and her findings from a skills
report that was just produced with the Irish government. [00:28:07]
We learn is there’s any intent to support the skills agenda in
Ireland with more open source work, and if the Irish government
plans for economic development in Ireland if that’s something that
the Open Ireland Network is encouraging. [00:31:47] Clare shares
some thoughts on the long-term implications of nationalistic
approaches towards open source markets. [00:36:31] Find out where
you can read the report and follow Clare on the web. Quotes
[00:09:54] “Many of the original founders of InnerSource Commons
were motivated by the idea of creating a whole new set of people
who were able and willing to collaborate in the open source
community so that they had that experience within their jobs, and
therefore would be more likely and able to contribute either within
their jobs or in their own private time to the open source
community.” [00:26:54] “What was really fascinating to me was there
was almost equal emphasis in the folks that responded to the survey
about the non-technical skills. So where are the people in sales
and marketing who understand this ecosystem? Where are the people
in legal professions who understand the legal agreements
necessary?” [00:29:33] “One of the most interesting areas that
folks are now beginning to be aware of is that it’s not just the
technology that gives you a leapfrog in, but also market access.”
[00:29:54] “When I was talking to some of the industry development
agencies in Ireland, the idea that there are industry vertical
foundations focusing on innovation in particular areas were a huge
interest to them.” [00:34:32] “If you’re enabling people to do open
source in any nation, it enables collaboration across nations.”
Spotlight [00:37:43] Justin’s spotlight is Ghost. [00:37:57]
Leslie’s spotlight is to go check out the Digital Public Goods
Charter that’s been published. [00:38:38] Richard’s spotlight is
the National Portrait Gallery in Dublin. [00:39:06] Clare’s
spotlight is Sue Borchardt, who’s a research artist and her amazing
animation series she created on Cultural Evolution. Links
SustainOSS (https://sustainoss.org/) SustainOSS Twitter
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Clare Dillon LinkedIn (https://ie.linkedin.com/in/claredillon)
InnerSource Commons (https://innersourcecommons.org/) NearForm
(https://www.nearform.com/) Sustain podcast-Episode 54: Danese
Cooper on the History of Open Source, InnerSource, and What’s Next
(https://podcast.sustainoss.org/guests/danese) Sustain
Podcast-Episode 132: Ana Jiménez Santamaria on OSPOs and the TODO
Group (https://podcast.sustainoss.org/guests/santamaria) Open
Ireland Network (https://www.openirelandnetwork.com/) Ghost
(https://ghost.org/) Digital Public Goods Charter
(https://www.dpgcharter.org/) National Gallery of Ireland
(https://www.nationalgallery.ie/art-and-artists/national-portrait-collection)
Sue Borchardt-Cultural Evolution Series (Vimeo)
(https://vimeo.com/researchartist) Sue Borchardt Website
(https://www.sueborchardt.com/sueBlog/) Credits Produced by Richard
Littauer (https://www.burntfen.com/) Edited by Paul M. Bahr at
Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/) Show notes by
DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Special Guest: Clare Dillon.