COP30 and Lula's politics of class conciliation w/ Sabrina Fernandes

Last month the 2025 United Nations Climate Change Conference -
better known as COP30 - was held in the Amazonian city of Belem in
northern Brazil. The conference was widely seen as a disappointment
- with a binding agreement for a roadmap for phasing out fossil
fuels being blocked by Saudi Arabia, the UAE and other oil
producing states. In the today's episode economist and activist
Sabrina Fernandes joins PTO to talk about her thoughts on COP30. We
spoke about how the structure of the COP process could conceivably
be reformed in order to stop recalcitrant states vetoing action on
climate. And we also talked about whether multi-lateral climate
negotiations are being rendered irrelevant by developments in the
global economy and the rapid expansion of renewable energy. We went
on to talk about Sabrina's recent article in 'The Breakdown',
titled Lula's Dilemma. We talked about the contradictory approach
of Lula and the Brazilian worker's party towards climate and the
environment and what Sabrina sees as a failing politics of "class
conciliation" that has disastrous environmental consequences.