#425 — Are We Prepared for the Next Pandemic?

Sam Harris speaks with Marc Lipsitch about pandemic preparedness.
They discuss what we learned from Covid, loss of trust in
institutions, how to effectively communicate scientific
information in the current media landscape, vaccine hesitancy,
the safety of mRNA vaccines, the origins of Covid,
gain-of-function research, virus hunting, the Trump
administration’s assault on scientific research and universities,
future pandemic threats, and other topics.


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