#426 — How Bad Is It?

Sam Harris speaks with David Frum about the current state of
American politics. They discuss the extent of Trump’s corruption,
his immigration crackdowns, what’s going well under Trump 2.0,
Trump’s support for Ukraine and Israel, U.S. foreign policy,
nuclear proliferation, Israel’s security and internal political
conflicts, perceptions of the war in Gaza, the Trump
administration’s professed support for Jews, the fallout of DOGE,
Trump’s friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, and other topics.


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