Deforestation, Oil and Aviation Fuels: A Brazilian Take on the Climate Emergency | Ep213: Thelma Krug

What happens if the Amazon rainforest stops absorbing carbon and
starts releasing it? Do we need geoengineering to help us cool an
overheating planet? And how can developing countries balance
environmental preservation with economic development?


This week on Cleaning Up, Baroness Bryony Worthington sits down
with Thelma Krug, a renowned Brazilian scientist and
mathematician, and former vice chair of the IPCC, to explore
these critical questions.


Krug offers an insider's perspective, drawing from her decades of
experience monitoring the Amazon rainforest and participating in
international climate negotiations.


The conversation ranges from the alarming transformation of the
Amazon from a carbon sink to a potential carbon source, to the
controversial realm of solar radiation management. As it prepares
to host COP30 in Belem in November, Krug provides nuanced
insights into Brazil's challenges, the complexities of global
climate policy, and the potential for innovative solutions like
biofuels and international collaboration.


Leadership Circle:
Cleaning Up is supported by the Leadership Circle, and its
founding members: Actis, Alcazar Energy, Davidson Kempner,
EcoPragma Capital, EDP of Portugal, Eurelectric, the Gilardini
Foundation, KKR, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature
Climate Foundation, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information on
the Leadership Circle, please visit https://www.cleaningup.live.


Discover more:
• Sierra Leone special:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-5QjSfy2SM
• COP30 website: https://cop30.br/en
• Degrees Global Forum: https://degreesglobalforum.org
• Episode 168 with Anand Gopal: https://youtu.be/33QiMC4nG1k