What People Misunderstand About The Seth Material

In this open and thoughtful conversation, David Marshall is
joined by Barrie Gellis—long-time student of The Seth Material
and one of the few people to have attended Jane Roberts' original
ESP classes. 


Together, they explore some of the most common misunderstandings
surrounding Seth’s teachings and reflect on the deeper
implications for those genuinely working with the material. 


Explore David's new spiritual community here:
https://www.skool.com/modernmystic-6035/about


Links to Barrie's books here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Barrie-Gellis/author/B002BM45K6


This is not a teaching or a lecture, but a shared inquiry into
the subtle and sometimes misinterpreted layers of one of the most
influential channeled works of the 20th century.


 


Key topics covered include: 0:00 • Misconceptions about Framework
1 and Framework 2


 


(4:40): Gellis explains that many people overemphasize F2
(non-physical reality) and dismiss F1 (physical reality) as an
illusion. He stresses that both are real and serve crucial
purposes.


 


05:18 • The Purpose of Linear Time (5:18): Linear time in
physical reality provides a necessary "pause to reflect," which
is essential for learning and spiritual evolution, particularly
in understanding "violations of natural guilt" (8:08).


 


08:08 • Violations of Natural Guilt (8:08): This concept refers
to violating one's own nature of love, compassion, and goodness,
which occurs when harming others. Natural guilt acts as an inner
trigger to prevent repeating harmful acts.


 


10.08 • The Importance of Helping Others (10:08): Gellis
emphasizes that while creating one's own reality, it's crucial to
include helping and not harming others. He clarifies that
dismissing others' suffering by saying "they created their
reality" is a misunderstanding of Seth's teachings (11:06).


 


18:13 • The Concept of "Victims" (18:33): Gellis clarifies that
while on a deeper level there are no victims (as individuals
subconsciously choose their reality), the term "victim" is valid
in physical reality to describe someone who experiences harm they
didn't consciously choose or want.


 


28:03 • Judging Reality vs. Judging People (28:03): The
discussion highlights that assessing one's reality and judging
situations is a necessary part of growth, but this differs from
judging individuals as inherently bad or unworthy.


 


40:08 • Changing Beliefs (40:08): Gellis shares his personal
experience of changing the belief that "people are good" and the
importance of recognizing that good is stronger than evil. He
suggests exploring one's beliefs, especially those related to
personal struggles, through stream of consciousness writing to
identify and change them (20:49).


 


1:10:41. • Love as the Foundation of Reality (1:10:41): Both
David Marshall and Barrie Gellis agree that love is a fundamental
condition and the basis for all existence, holding reality
together. 1.13:55 • Kindness as a Superpower 


(1:13:55): Gellis describes kindness as a revolutionary power
that is often underrated and goes beyond mere behavior.