S9 Ep38: Photographing Area 51 with Michał Rokita

Photographer and field researcher Michał Rokita joins Matt to
discuss his rare and meticulous efforts to document one of the
world’s most secretive military sites: Area 51. From hiking
remote peaks in the Nevada desert to capturing panoramic images
from over 20 miles away, Michał shares what it takes to legally
photograph Groom Lake from public land. They explore the history
of the Dreamland Interceptors, the challenges of desert spotting,
and the moments he’s witnessed — stealth fighters, unannounced
landings, and one night when his presence may have scrubbed a
secret test flight. It’s a real-world look at Area 51, far from
the conspiracy theories, and the dedicated hobbyists preserving
its history from a distance.

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Find Michał’s trip reports, photos, and more about Area 51’s
history at Dreamland Resort:
https://www.dreamlandresort.com/team/michal.html
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Read Dreamland: The Secret History of Area 51 by Peter Merlin:
https://schifferbooks.com/products/dreamland
Listen to Matt’s interview with Peter:
https://audioboom.com/posts/8434360-the-secret-history-of-area-51-with-peter-merlin


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Secrets and Spies sits at the intersection of intelligence,
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