Good Things Presents: When It Clicked - Reforming San Quentin From the Inside

What does it mean to be smart on crime? Jeanne Woodford, former
warden at San Quentin State prison, has been a longtime advocate
for rehabilitation. In our conversation, she offers a new vision
of what prisons could look like, from removing prison cells to
providing opportunities for incarcerated people to garden, take
college courses, and even play chess with correctional
officers. 


Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts, or listen
ad-free on Amazon Music with your Prime Membership.


Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at
@LemonadaMedia.


Want to become a Lemonada superfan? Join us at
joinsubtext.com/lemonadasuperfan.


Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes
for this and all other Lemonada series:
lemonadamedia.com/sponsors.


To follow along with a transcript, go to lemonadamedia.com/show/
shortly after the air date.


See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.