PTFO - The Butthole Story (Or: A Thoughtful Conversation with Sue Bird and Ezra Edelman)

This year has seen a boom in the worlds of women's sports and
documentary films (and podcasting). So we invited the best point
guard in the history of women's basketball (Sue Bird) and the best
documentarian in the country (O.J.: Made in America's Ezra Edelman)
for an in-person summit to discuss all of it. Plus: one-word
answers from multi-hyphenates, wanting control, the good-faith mind
games of talking to refs, the bad-faith ickiness of extracting
controversy, the Billie Jean King of it all... and why the hard's
not as hard, when you're doing the thing you were meant to be doing
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