#372 — Life & Work

Sam Harris speaks with George Saunders about his creative
process. They discuss George’s involvement with Buddhism, the
importance of kindness, psychedelics, writing as a practice, the
work of Raymond Carver, the problem of social media, our current
political moment, the role of fame in American culture, Wendell
Berry, fiction as way of exploring good and evil, The Death of
Ivan Ilyich, missed opportunities in ordinary life, what it means
to be a more loving person, his article “The Incredible Buddha
Boy,” the prison of reputation, Tolstoy, and other topics.


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