#384 — Stress Testing Our Democracy

Sam Harris speaks with Barton Gellman about election integrity
and the safeguarding of American democracy. They discuss the war
games he's run to test our response to an authoritarian
president, using federal troops against American citizens, the
difference between laws and norms, state powers to resist the
federal government, voter identification and election integrity,
political control over election certifications, the Bush-Gore
election, the Electoral Count Reform Act, the prospect of public
unrest after the November election, January 6th, George Soros,
the "good people on both sides" calumny against Trump, what
happens to Trump and Trumpism if Harris wins in November, the
presidential debate with Harris, the authoritarian potential of a
second Trump term, Project 2025, and other topics.


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