596. Garrett Graff

In this episode, we have journalist Garrett Graff joining us to
talk about his latest book, "UFO: The Inside Story of the US
Government’s Search for Alien Life Here—and Out There." Garrett's
interest in this subject was piqued when former CIA director John
Brennan publicly acknowledged his belief in the reality of UFOs.
With a blend of open-mindedness and healthy skepticism, Garrett
delves into this intriguing topic, exploring the government's quest
for answers about alien life both on Earth and beyond.

BIO: Garrett M. Graff, a distinguished journalist and
internationally bestselling historian, has spent nearly two decades
covering politics, technology, and national security—helping to
explain where we’ve been and where we’re headed. The former editor
of Washingtonian and POLITICO Magazine and a contributing editor to
WIRED Magazine, Graff is the author of multiple books, including
the #1 national bestseller The Only Plane in the Sky: An Oral
History of 9/11, as well as The Threat Matrix: Inside Robert
Mueller’s FBI, and Raven Rock, about the government’s Cold War
Doomsday plans. His book Watergate: A New History was a finalist in
2023 for the Pulitzer Prize in History, and his most recent book is
UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government’s Search for Alien Life
Here—and Out There.