82: Reimagining Humanitarianism Using Systems Thinking with Kate Moger

Kate Moger is the Global Director of Pledge for Change, an NGO
representing a mutual commitment towards building a stronger aid
ecosystem based on the principles of solidarity, humility,
self-determination and equality. Kate shares her journey in the
humanitarian sector and her vision for transforming it. With over
two decades of experience in various leadership roles, Kate
reflects on how she entered the field somewhat accidentally and
how her perspective has evolved over time.

Kate discusses the changing landscape of humanitarian work, from
her early days as part of the "last of the salvationists" to her
current role in driving radical change. She candidly shares her
experiences in South Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo,
highlighting both the challenges and profound connections she
found in these contexts.

The conversation delves into the complexities of power dynamics,
feminism, and decolonizing aid. Kate emphasizes the importance of
intersectionality and understanding power imbalances in her
approach to feminism and humanitarian work. She explains the
origins and goals of Pledge for Change, an initiative aimed at
transforming the humanitarian sector through equitable
partnerships, authentic storytelling, and influencing wider
change.

Kate and Simon explore the tensions within the humanitarian
system, questioning whether reform is possible or if a complete
dismantling is necessary. They discuss the importance of
nurturing emergent systems and leadership at the edges, while
acknowledging the geopolitical complexities surrounding
humanitarian work.

The podcast concludes with Kate's reflections on what it means to
live a good life and create a good society, drawing on the
concept of Ubuntu and the importance of speaking truth to power
with kindness. This conversation offers a thought-provoking look
at the challenges and opportunities in reimagining humanitarian
work for a more equitable future.