Ezra Klein Kinda Hates Twitter

Ezra Klein, founder of Vox.com, is now a New York Times columnist
and podcaster. He wants to fix the broken system that is Congress,
yet he finds himself operating from inside another broken system:
mass media. Ezra talks with Art of Power host Aarti Shahani about
how he’s trying to promote structural analysis — as opposed to
character-driven stories — in politics. Ezra and Aarti revisit his
days as a poor student — and the moment when he nearly got
cancelled for a tweet. Ezra also talks about how podcasting — not
Twitter — gives him a chance to really listen to the other side
(and not just literally). The author of Why We’re Polarized and
host of the podcast The Ezra Klein Show says he wants to find and
build more open spaces in journalism. Ezra also says he’s come to
learn his most basic assumption about how to win hearts and minds
was all wrong.