Part 2 – Therapy, Narcissistic Leaders, and Healthy Ego | An Interview with Tony Overbay

Tony Overbay is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, a
Certified Mindful Habit Coach, and a popular motivational speaker.
Tony regularly speaks at corporate training events, schools, and
churches in formal and casual settings mixing humor, clinical
experience, his Christian faith, and a wealth of personal stories
gleaned from years of helping others achieve their goals. This is
part 2 of a 2-part podcast discussion. Listen to Part 1 here.
Highlights 03:20 Tony shares experiences people have had with a
very harsh stake president 12:25 Leaders or sometimes therapists
hand people a list of things to do in order to overcome addictions
or whatever it may be. But what happens when checking off those
boxes doesn’t help? 13:50 Typically people go into the bishop’s
office with the energy of shame. The bishop needs to diffuse that
energy. People should also consider other people they can talk to
besides the Bishop. 18:00 A good question to ask an individual is,
“Who do you feel comfortable talking to?” 19:30 Tony breaks down
shame and where it comes from 24:50 We feel shame when we are
unable to overcome certain behaviors or addictions. However, we are
approaching it in the wrong way. We need to dive deeper into why we
are doing what we are doing. 25:40 Tony shares his own personal
experience on being human and making mistakes. We need to give
ourselves a break because we are all just human having human
experiences. 29:20 Leadership and narcissism. Too often people are
throwing out the word narcissist when dealing with a difficult
person. 30:45 What is narcissism? Where does it come from? 38:20
There is a healthy level of narcissism in all of us 40:20 We most
often see narcissism in a negative light. There is also normal
healthy narcissism. That could also be called a normal healthy ego
or your sense of self. 44:10 Pathological defensive narcissism
53:30 Jesus had a healthy ego. He had a full understanding of His
identity. 55:45 Tony explains confabulation 1:02:00 Dealing with
narcissistic leaders 1:04:15 Internal validation versus external
validation 1:12:30 There isn’t much we can do about a narcissistic
leader. What we can do is set our own boundaries. Links Part 1 of
this podcast Unhealthy Ways We Seek Validation As Leaders | An
Interview with Tony Overbay The Bishop’s Strongest Tools to Help
Addicts | An Interview with Tony Overbay Tony's podcasts The Path
Back: Overcoming Pornography The Magnetic Marriage Course Tony's
PDF of James Fowler's Stages of Faith
Development Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development
and the Quest for Meaning Why Am I the Last Person to Know What to
Do with My Life? Am I the Narcissist? Exploring Narcissistic Traits
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