When the Gospel Seems Unjust to the Rising Generation | An Interview with Tyler Johnson

Dr. Tyler Johnson is is a medical oncologist, author, and a
clinical assistant professor at the Stanford University School of
Medicine. He also serves as a leader of the Stanford inpatient
oncology services, including supervising the oncology housestaff
service. Tyler has served as Bishop in the Stanford Ward and taught
institute. He co-hosts The Doctor's Art podcast and writes on the
intersection of medicine, ethics, and spirituality. Tyler's
writings has been featured by Religion News Service, the Salt Lake
Tribune, BYU Studies, Dialogue, and The San Jose Mercury News,
where he is a regular contributor. Highlights 02:00 Introduction to
the episode and Tyler Johnson 03:30 Tyler’s background as an
oncologist and professor 09:30 Teaching experience in the church
and at the institute at Stanford 14:00 Many youth are leaving the
church. We can do a better job at teaching them. 18:20 Where do we
fail to teach the power of the gospel to youth and others? 20:00 Us
vs them dynamic when it comes to people who leave the church and
those who stay 22:30 As a leader, how do we avoid the us vs them
dynamic at church and in our classes 25:45 Tyler breaks down the
four parts of America and why it’s important to understanding and
helping our youth today Free America Real America Smart America
Just (justice) America 36:30 Most youth today belong to "just
America." They value justice and fairness and have lots of
concerns. Understanding these values is really important as a
leader. 39:30 How can leaders best help and guide the youth (just
America)? 41:20 When someone comes to you with a deeply felt
question, it's better to recognize the virtuous impulse behind the
question before dealing with the content of the question 47:00
Empathy before certainty or ambiguity. Productive discussions are
going to come from showing empathy for people’s concerns. Show them
you are on their team. 52:00 The different types of Americans and
these mindsets in the church. People that belong to just America
don’t feel like they belong in the church. 59:00 Tyler talks to
people that feel they are part of just America 1:05:30 We all need
space and grace. Even the highest leaders of our church. 1:06:45 We
hold back empathy from our leaders because they are the ones in
power 1:08:00 Why the past 10 years of American life have been
uniquely stupid. Social media makes it so easy for us to shoot
people down who value different things than us. 1:13:00 A lot of us
grew up with the fairytale version of the gospel when in reality
church history was really messy. This is what young people are
struggling with today. We need to let go of the fairytale and
embrace the messiness. 1:22:00 The defining virtue of the Savior's
atonement is his perfect empathy. We are joining the Savior in His
work when we show empathy to those that we lead. 1:23:30 Tyler’s
final thoughts and testimony Links How America Fractured into Four
Parts, by George Packer Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have
Been Uniquely Stupid, by Jonathan Haidt The God Who Weeps The Other
Prodigal, talk by Elder Jeffrey R. Holland The Doctor's Art podcast
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