S9 Ep19: Will ISIS Make a Comeback in 2025? with Aaron Zelin

On today’s episode, Matt is joined by another leading
counterterrorism researcher, Aaron Zelin. Aaron has spent years
studying the global jihadi movement, focusing on the Islamic
State and Al-Qaeda. They explore the resurgence of the Islamic
State following its territorial defeat in Iraq and Syria in 2017,
and the evolving threat the group poses to the United States and
other countries—from recent attacks in Iran, Russia, and New
Orleans, and the organizational restructuring that’s made them
rather resilient. Unpack these critical issues with one of the
foremost experts in the field.

Read Aaron’s work for the Washington Institute for Near East
Policy:
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/aaron-y-zelin

Read Aaron’s Substack, Jihadology+:
https://www.jihadologyplus.com

Read Aaron’s past work for Jihadology:
https://jihadology.net

"A Globally Integrated Islamic State" by Aaron Zelin | War on the
Rocks

"Remaining, Waiting for Expansion (Again): The Islamic State’s
Operations in Iraq and Syria" by Aaron Zelin | The Hudson
Institute

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