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What happens when three experienced investigators from opposite
sides of the world sit down to examine how police respond to an
active shooter?

In this special crossover between Stop the
Killing and Watching Two Detectives,
former FBI Special Agent Katherine Schweit joins
retired New South Wales detectives Peter Hogan and Scott
Rogan for an expert examination of the lessons that have
reshaped mass-shooting prevention, preparation and police
response.

Katherine was working on national security and counterterrorism
cases when the murder of 20 children and six educators at Sandy
Hook Elementary School changed the direction of her career.
Following the shooting, she was appointed to the White House team
tasked with developing a coordinated national response to mass
shootings and became the architect of the FBI’s Active Shooter
Program.

In Part One, Katherine explains how the devastating events at
Sandy Hook helped accelerate a fundamental change in policing:
moving away from the traditional strategy of “contain,
negotiate and wait” towards the immediate deployment of
officers to confront and stop an active threat.

Peter and Scott reveal how those lessons travelled across the
world and influenced Australian policing. They discuss the
introduction of New South Wales Police’s Active Armed
Offender training, the impact of the 2014 Lindt Café
siege and the confronting reality of preparing ordinary frontline
officers to run towards attackers armed with military-style
weapons.

Together, they explore:

Why active-shooter incidents can be over within minutes

The extraordinary risks faced by the first officers entering
the scene

Why an active shooter and a mass shooting are not always the
same thing

Why workplaces—not schools—account for many active-shooter
attacks in the United States

The challenges of negotiating with attackers driven by
extremist or ideological motives

Why warning signs must be recognised and reported before
violence begins

How information shared by one student helped prevent a
planned school shooting

Why measuring the attacks that never happened is so important

Katherine also shares the remarkable story of the message that
reminded her why Stop the Killing must continue:
a school vice principal who credited the podcast with helping her
team recognise the warning signs and prevent a planned attack.

This conversation lays the groundwork for the next part of the
series, when Katherine, Peter and Scott turn their attention to
the December 14, 2025 Bondi Beach terrorist
attack, examining the actions of the attackers,
civilians and responding officers through their combined FBI and
Australian policing experience. The attack targeted a Hanukkah
celebration and killed 15 people. 

This is not simply a conversation about what happened. It is a
conversation about what has been learned, what has changed—and
what still needs to change to stop the next attack.

Listen now to Part One of this special multi-part
crossover.

Stop the Killing on Apple
Podcasts:https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/stop-the-killing/id1585146489

Watching Two Detectives on Apple
Podcasts:https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/watching-two-detectives/id1740792484

Watching Two Detectives
Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/wtd

Stop the Killing
Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/stopthekilling

Please follow both podcasts and leave a five-star review wherever
you listen. Your support helps us continue producing independent
investigations, sharing the experiences of survivors and
law-enforcement professionals, and creating conversations that
may genuinely help save lives.

Join us for Part Two, when the experts begin their
examination of the Bondi Beach attack.

This episode contains discussions of mass shootings, terrorism,
child victims and traumatic events. Listener discretion is
advised.

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