Following the five-part crossover between Watching Two
Detectives and Stop the Killing, we are
sharing another standout conversation from the Stop the Killing
archive.
On April 20, 1999, two students arrived at Columbine High School
intending to bomb the school. When their bombs failed, they
opened fire.
At the time, 12 students and one teacher were killed. In February
2025, Columbine survivor Anne Marie Hochhalter died from
complications linked to the gunshot wounds she sustained during
the attack. Her death was later ruled a homicide, bringing the
recognised death toll to 13 students and one teacher — 14
victims in total.
In this episode, Sarah Ferris and Katherine Schweit speak with
Frank DeAngelis, the former principal of
Columbine High School.
Frank takes us back inside the school on the day of the attack
and shares what it was like to lead a community through
unimaginable violence, grief and trauma.
But this conversation is about far more than the events of April
20.
Frank explains how the impact of a school shooting continues long
after the emergency vehicles, investigators and television
cameras leave. The psychological wounds spread through students,
teachers, families, first responders and the wider community —
and for many, those wounds last a lifetime.
He also reflects on the responsibility he felt toward the
Columbine community, the promises he made to the families and why
his role did not simply end when he retired as principal.
This is a conversation about leadership, survivor guilt,
recovery, school safety and the human consequences that cannot be
measured by casualty numbers alone.
It is also a reminder that behind every statistic is a person, a
family and a life forever altered.
Let’s Be FrankFrank discusses school security,
hardening targets and why safety measures can go too far when
they begin to change schools from welcoming places into
fortresses:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/stop-the-killing/id1585146489?i=1000669832290
This bonus episode includes excerpts from a longer conversation
with Frank that were not included in the original episode.
Please follow Stop the Killing wherever you
listen to podcasts for more conversations with Frank DeAngelis
and more than 200 episodes examining mass shootings, school
safety, active-shooter response, prevention, survival and the
people left carrying the consequences.
And stay following Watching Two Detectives for
Season Six:
Biddy: I’m So Shiny, I Can Twinkle Like a Star.
The story of ten-year-old Bridget “Biddy” Porter, the warning
signs before her murder and the family fighting to give their
daughter back the name, story and voice that were taken from her.
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