In this episode, Ben is joined by Dr Tony Lloyd, former CEO of
the ADHD Foundation, for a conversation that steps back and looks
at the bigger picture of neurodiversity at a moment when the
landscape is rapidly changing.
Now retired, Tony reflects on decades at the forefront of ADHD
and neurodiversity advocacy, and why we’re still asking the wrong
questions.
They explore why more people are recognising themselves than ever
before, and the tension between medical models and the idea of
thinking differently.
From SEND systems and long waiting lists to public narratives and
stigma, Tony shares what he believes still isn’t working and
where real progress is happening.
This is a conversation about where we are now, what needs to
change, and why the future of neurodiversity may look very
different to its past.
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Host: Ben Branson
Production Manager: Phoebe De Leiburné
Video Editor: James Scriven
Social Media Manager: Charlie Young
Music: Jackson Greenberg
Head of Marketing: Kristen Fuller
00:00 Introduction
1:03 The Current Neurodiversity Landscape: ADHD, Autism &
Society
3:50 The Global Neurodiversity Identity Crisis Explained
5:50 “We Are Everywhere”: The Rise of Neurodivergent Voices
9:44 The Future of Neurodiversity: Why People Are No Longer
Hiding
20:02 Medical Model vs Neurodiversity: Disorder or Difference?
27:00 SEND System & ADHD/Autism Reports: What’s Broken?
32:10 Why Neurodiversity Should Be Seen as Opportunity, Not
Deficit
42:03 De-stigmatising ADHD & Autism: What Gives Tony Hope
48:06 ADHD & Autism Waitlists: Advice for Those Still Waiting
50:18 The Role of Neurodivergent Public Figures & Advocacy
55:16 Regressive Narratives vs Being Yourself: Courage &
Kindness
1:02:22 Dr Tony Lloyd’s Green Dot Badge
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