#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

Pablos Holman is a hacker and inventor and the
author of Deep Future: Creating Technology that
Matters, the indispensable guide to deep tech.
Previously, Pablos worked on spaceships at Blue Origin and helped
build The Intellectual Ventures Lab to invent a wide variety of
breakthroughs. Pablos also hosts the Deep Future Podcast and is
managing partner at Deep Future.


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Timestamps:


[00:00:00] Start.

[00:02:12] The first time I witnessed Pablos’ digital sleight
of hand.

[00:04:33] How did Pablos become what he considers
to be a hacker?

[00:08:04] The off-label mindset that makes a good hacker
(like Samy Kamkar) great.

[00:17:07] The magic of Rodney Mullen.

[00:20:28] How Eric Johanson and Pablos gave life to adorable
password thief Hackerbot.

[00:23:44] Hacker self-defense and the zero-click exploit
market.

[00:27:11] International pockets of hacker density.

[00:30:13] Conventions where modern hackers congregate.

[00:30:48] Why, in geopolitics, technology is a game lost by
the non-players.

[00:33:05] The case to rally behind new nuclear power.

[00:36:54] Sequencing priorities so the US can remain
technologically competitive.

[00:44:49] Evaluating risk and reward in deep tech
investment.

[00:50:40] Shoring up the shape of shipping.

[00:56:59] How Pablos gained his name and famous frames.

[00:58:48] Pablos is a possible-ist.

[00:59:45] What makes Pablos an attractive hire for the
world’s richest people?

[01:02:06] From Silicon Valley to Seattle: the Blue Origin
origin story.

[01:08:55] Why Pablos prevails over his M-dash peers.

[01:11:41] Zero Effect and WarGames: The only
movies that matter?

[01:15:58] A major security malfunction exploited by Major
Malfunction.

[01:18:30] The enigmatic Neal Stephenson.

[01:19:38] Long-form lessons gleaned from Jeff Bezos and the
Blue Origin mission.

[01:27:15] For solving the world’s problems, communities are
crucial.

[01:31:03] Newlab PSYOPS.

[01:34:44] AI and the ripple effects of China’s
engineering-minded vs. America’s attorney-heavy leadership.

[01:48:20] Unearthing like-minded inventors and innovators.

[01:50:42] How Pablos learned salsa dancing via aikido vs. my
own tango experience.

[02:08:27] Why you should invest or get involved in
deep tech.

[02:14:45] Clearing up fusion confusion.

[02:21:17] Making progress happen is a team effort.

[02:24:19] Parting thoughts.



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