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This episode is special to me. I sit down with two of my heroes
in the faith—Ray Ortlund and Crawford Loritts. These men have
been anchors for me in moments of doubt and discouragement, and I
wanted to ask them the questions that most pastors eventually ask
themselves: How do you stay faithful for the long haul? How do
you finish well when so many don't? We talk about the rhythms
that sustained them over decades, the call of ministry that’s far
more than a career, and what it looks like to fight pride and
pursue humility every single day. We also dive deep into
marriage, legacy, and the sacredness of being a pastor. If you're
in the trenches—especially in your 20s to 40s—this one's for you.
I want to finish well, and I know you do too.


In This Episode



[02:00] Rhythms That Sustain the Soul


[05:00] The Call of God vs. a Career in
Ministry


[08:00] Shepherding, Not Hiring: A Vision for
Pastoral Ministry


[13:00] The Crisis of Calling in a Careerist
Culture


[16:00] The Tragedy of Falling Away


[20:00] Discerning the Dangers in Different
Seasons


[25:00] Kill the Lion: Confronting Sin Early


[30:00] The Deception of Success


[33:00] The Call to Vulnerability and
Brotherhood


[36:00] Marriage, Legacy, and Intimacy


[40:00] Cultivating Lifelong Love with Your
Spouse


[45:00] Final Encouragement: Stay Low, Stay
Faithful






Resources



Finishing Strong by Steve
Farrar


Dangerous Calling by Paul David
Tripp






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