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A new four-part series from This Is Not A Drill… Putin thought
he could conquer Ukraine with a tank, air and infantry-led attack
straight out of the Second World War. Instead Kyiv turned the
tables on Russia with the fastest, most intensive transformation of
warfare in half a century. In this mini-series Gavin Esler explores
this new generation of weapons and how they’ll fight – or prevent
– the next wars. This time: cheap, mass-produced drones
enabled Kyiv to hit Russia hard and deep. Ukraine is now the world
expert in this new technology. What does it mean when you can take
out a warship with a weapon that costs less than a family car? What
is “precision mass”? And why A.I. will make drones even more
powerful. Gavin Esler talks to: • Illya Sekirin, former
frontline drone operator for Ukraine and author of Rise of the
Machines: Drone Warfare in the Russia-Ukraine War • Michael
Horowitz, Senior Fellow for Technology and Innovation at the
Council on Foreign Relations • Peter Apps, global defence
columnist for Reuters, British Army reservist and author of The
Next World War • Major General (Ret.) Mick Ryan of the
Australian Army, author of The War for Ukraine and the Futura
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