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  4. New Weapons for New Wars – DEFENCE SYSTEMS get smart
A four-part series from This Is Not A Drill… Warfare is
evolving faster than ever in this dangerous world. Gavin Esler
explores a new generation of weapons and how they’ll fight – or
prevent – the next wars. This time: When missiles and drones
become cheaper and more widely-available, air defence becomes top
priority. What does it mean when ruinously expensive interceptors
like the Patriot go up against swarms of cheap, disposable Shahed
drones? Will future wars be decided on who has the deepest pockets
and fastest assembly lines? Can you build an Israeli-style Iron
Dome over a territory as big as the USA? Which areas get protected?
And does it all depend on the speed of the kill chain? Gavin Esler
talks to: • Patrycja Bazylczyck, Associate director of the
Missile Defence Project at the Center for Strategic and
International Studies (CSIS) • Michael Horowitz, Senior Fellow
for Technology and Innovation at the Council on Foreign Relations
• Illya Sekirin, former frontline drone operator for Ukraine
and author of Rise of the Machines: Drone Warfare in the
Russia-Ukraine War • Peter Apps, global defence columnist for
Reuters, British Army reservist and author of The Next World War
• Major General (Ret.) Mick Ryan of the Australian Army,
author of The War for Ukraine and the Futura Doctrina Substack
• Dr Sidharth Kaushal, senior research fellow in the Military
Sciences programme at the Royal United Services Institute
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