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️ Please note: this conversation talks about depression and
mental health. If you or someone you know is struggling, free
help is available through Lifeline - call 0508 TAUTOKO, that's
0508 828 865.

Sir John Kirwan is one of New Zealand's greatest All Blacks —
but, while he lived the life of a champion, his mental health
suffered. He's since become one of the country's greatest
wellbeing advocates - speaking openly about his own depression,
the night on tour when he wanted to jump out of a window, and
rebuilding his entire life from scratch.

In this conversation with Kaila Colbin, JK talks about what
depression actually felt like from the inside, why he had to
treat himself like he was dead before he could start again, and
the system he built - and now teaches - to make sure he never
goes back there.

This isn't a rugby episode - though there are some great stories.
It's a conversation about what it takes to perform at the highest
level of anything - and why care isn't the soft option.

In this episode:

Why JK says balance is bullsh*t - and what to do instead

The night he wanted to end his life, and what his mum said
that changed everything

How he put his life into boxes and rebuilt it from the ground
up

The All Blacks' performance-care philosophy - and why he
believes it's why they finally won the World Cup in 2011

The six daily pillars he uses to protect his mental health

Why the care conversation and the performance conversation
are the same conversation

What a Catholic priest told him before his wedding that
became some of the best advice he's ever received

Why the badge of honour around working yourself to exhaustion
is destroying people

The "to-done" list - and why it matters more than your to-do
list

What it means to manage your imbalance instead of chasing
balance

JK's Books

All Blacks Don't Cry: A Story of Hope -
https://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books/All-Blacks-Dont-Cry-John-Kirwan/9781776950492

Stand By Me: Helping Your Teen Through Tough Times -
https://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books/Stand-By-Me-John-Kirwan/9780143570639



A huge thanks to Celebrity Speakers for supporting this episode.
If you want to book Sir John Kirwan for a keynote and leave your
audience hungry for more, visit celebrityspeakers.co.nz.

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