️ with Dr. Zina Jarrahi Cinker, Director General MATTER Group
Where does AI trust get built between people whose fields are
drifting apart? Physicist Dr. Zina Jarrahi Cinker spends millions
engineering the rooms where that happens, and she counts what
comes out of them. This episode is for anyone who has sat through
a briefing on a technology that will reshape their sector,
understood roughly none of it, and said nothing.
In this episode
Dr. Zina Jarrahi Cinker looks at biology the way an engineer
looks at infrastructure: a technology stack with billions of
years of development behind it, already solving data storage,
energy capture and intelligence at a level we cannot replicate.
Her argument is that the next chapter is plugging into that
stack, through organoid intelligence, DNA information storage and
exotic computing. The obstacle she describes is not scientific.
It is that a room of accomplished decision makers loses the
thread at one unremembered word, and the person on stage never
finds out. Her answer costs money: an eight-minute limit on every
talk, five people assigned to each speaker, environments built to
produce the feeling of a science museum. She also holds a
position that has cost her invitations, which is that the future
is going to be fine.
Key themes
Whether biology is better understood as finished engineering
than as nature, and what co-opting it would actually involve
Why explaining frontier science more clearly does not fix
comprehension across fields, and what does
Whether optimism about technology is a discipline or a blind
spot, and who benefits from the alternative
What a leader does when the honest answer about the next five
years is that there isn't one
Who gets access to the rooms where trust between fields is
built, and what follows from that
About the guest
Dr. Zina Jarrahi Cinker is a condensed matter physicist who spent
a decade on graphene, including a stretch running the US National
Graphene Association in her early thirties, before moving to the
problem of getting frontier science across the gaps between
fields. She is Director General of MATTER, a community of around
20,000 scientists, engineers, policymakers and business leaders
spanning 30 country chapters, and Chief Creator of PUZZLE X in
Barcelona and XPANSE in Abu Dhabi. She grew up in a family half
artist and half scientist, kept the art half quiet for years
while working in materials, and now runs ART Proxima, which pairs
new media artists with scientists. That detail matters for this
conversation more than any of the titles, because the rooms she
builds are the correction to a room she once had to be careful
in.
Chapters
[00:48] A physicist stops being excited about physics
[08:20] What breaks when experts talk to experts
[14:41] Optimism as the unpopular position
[27:22] Why having no plan is something she had to build
for
[33:26] The room as infrastructure
Links
Zina Jarrahi Cinker on LinkedIn -
https://www.linkedin.com/in/zinacinker/
Eva Simone Lihotzky on LinkedIn - add URL]
MATTER - amptnetwork.com
PUZZLE X, Barcelona -http://www.puzzlex.io
XPANSE, Abu Dhabi - www.xpanse.world
ART Proxima - https://www.xpanse.world/art-proxima
Solimán López, artist and ART Proxima co-curator -
https://solimanlopez.com
Related episode - Beyond the black box: Building trust with AI
systems: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6yKMLQNnDoa6NqqClJrryN
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