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AI and Sustainability: Lessons from Both Transformations - Dr. Kiri Trier (EP 39)

AI and Sustainability: Lessons from Both Transformations - Dr. Kiri Trier (EP 39)

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️ Dr. Kiri Trier, Chief Marketing & Growth Officer at
Risk Management Partners, part of Munich Re

Opening paragraph

Every C-level claimed sustainability expertise overnight. Dr.
Kiri Trier watched it happen, and she sees AI trust heading the
same way. She spent more than a decade leading sustainability
transformation before the current wave, and now runs growth
inside Munich Re's climate risk business while the second hype
cycle unfolds around her. This one is for leaders who suspect the
pace of AI adoption has outrun the understanding beneath it.

Episode overview

In this episode, Dr. Kiri Trier maps the sustainability cycle
onto the AI one: the expectation management problem when nobody
knows the consequences, the human resource comparison that
sustainability never triggered, and why she laughed the first
time she heard "human in the loop". From inside reinsurance she
raises the question with no settled answer yet - when a model
judges wrong, what about the liability? And she closes with a
definition that reorders most AI governance thinking: trust
arrives only as an outcome of credibility and reliability.

Key themes

When a model judges a policy wrong, who carries the liability
- and why the autonomy still lies on the human side

Whether the EU AI Act repeats the German supply chain law:
does checklist regulation produce compliance or trust?

What greenwashing predicts about AI washing, from someone who
watched the first one form

Can trust be installed at all, or only earned as an outcome
of credibility and reliability?

The gut feeling as a leadership instrument the LLM does not
have

About the guest

Dr. Kiri Trier is Chief Marketing & Growth Officer at Risk
Management Partners, a Munich Re company localising climate risk
exposure. The detail that matters for this episode: seven years
before the current wave, she published on how AI would change
sustainability management - which means she entered the AI
transformation already knowing how a hype cycle ends.

️ Chapters

[01:31] Trust is a behaviour - so what is trust in a
technology?

[04:09] The overnight experts return

[09:32] Human in the loop, turned around

[16:10] The foresight existed - Sustain what?

[26:00] When regulation becomes Excel lists

Links

Dr. Kiri Trier on LinkedIn -
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-kiri-trier-97bb1611/

Eva Simone Lihotzky on LinkedIn -
https://www.linkedin.com/in/evalihotzky/

Risk Management Partners website -
https://www.munichre.com/rmp/en.html

Related episode: 'Designing regenerative futures' with Karel
Golta -
https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/the-in-between-tech-and-trust-podcast/id1828521905?l=en-GB&i=1000721908996