This might be the most important podcast episode I've put out in
the last two years. Please trust me and give it a full listen. It
will surprise you, perhaps shock you, and definitely make you
think differently.
Michael Pollan (@michaelpollan) is the author of
seven previous books, including Cooked, Food
Rules, In Defense of Food, The Omnivore's Dilemma,
and The Botany of Desire, all of which were New York Times
bestsellers. A longtime contributor to the New York Times
Magazine, he also teaches writing at Harvard and the University
of California, Berkeley where he is the John S. and James L.
Knight Professor of Science Journalism. In 2010, Time magazine
named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world.
His most recent book, How to Change Your Mind: What the New
Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying,
Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence, might be my favorite
yet. This is the first podcast interview Michael has done about
the book, the science and applications of psychedelics, his
exploration, and his own experiences. It is a wild ride.
In fact, partially due to this book, I am committing a million
dollars over the next few years to support the scientific study
of psychedelic compounds. This is by far the largest commitment
to research and nonprofits I've ever made, and if you'd like to
join me in supporting this research, please check out
tim.blog/science.
In our wide-ranging conversation, we cover many things,
including:
The fundamentals of "psychedelics," what the term means, and
what compounds like psilocybin, mescaline, and others have in
common.
New insights related to treatment-resistant depression,
anxiety, alcohol/nicotine dependence, OCD, PTSD, and more.
Recent scientific and clinical discussions of a "grand
unified theory of mental illness."
Potential applications and risks of psychedelics.
Michael's own experiences — which he did not initially intend
on having — and what he's learned from them.
The "entropic brain," and why there might be a therapeutic
sweet spot between mental order and chaos.
Why researchers at Johns Hopkins, NYU, Yale, and elsewhere
are dedicating resources to understanding these compounds.
And much, much more...
The molecules discussed in this episode — and some incredible
clinical results from well-designed studies — have absolutely
captured my attention over the last two years. After wading in
and supporting smaller studies, I've decided to go all-in on
scientists exploring this area. It seems to be an Archimedes
lever for potentially solving a wide range of root-cause
problems, instead of playing whack-a-mole with symptoms one by
one.
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