What if the secret to scaling your business isn't fighting change —
but learning to navigate it with clarity, resilience, and a better
mindset? In this episode of The Grown Up Business Podcast, Paul
Avins is joined by Professor Paul McGee — Sunday Times bestselling
author, international speaker, and creator of the SUMO philosophy
(Shut Up, Move On). Paul McGee shares his remarkable journey from
losing his job due to chronic fatigue syndrome to becoming one of
the UK's leading voices on resilience, mindset, and managing
change. Together, Paul and Paul unpack why most people stay stuck
in victim mode, how to process disappointment without wallowing in
it, and the seven powerful questions that help you shift from
reaction to response — even in the toughest moments. This
conversation goes deep into the psychology of change, the
difference between your "red cap" emotional brain and your "blue
cap" reflective brain, why hippo time (feeling bad) is okay but
temporary, and how entrepreneurs can stop complaining and start
competing. Whether you're dealing with economic uncertainty, team
challenges, personal setbacks, or just the relentless pressure of
running a business, this episode will equip you to show up, take
responsibility, and move forward with confidence. This episode is
essential listening for founders and CEOs who want to build mental
resilience, lead through uncertainty, and stop letting external
events dictate their outcomes. Key Takeaways Why hippo time
(feeling bad) is okay — but it's a detour, not a destination The
difference between digesting disappointment, processing pain, and
sitting with sadness How to stop wearing the victim t-shirt and
take back control of your response Why E + R = O (Event + Response
= Outcome) is the formula that changes everything Understanding
your red cap (emotional, reactive brain) vs blue cap (reflective,
logical brain) The bridge between react and respond: reflection The
7 SUMO questions that help you shift from stuck to solution-focused
thinking Why managing your mental diet is as important as managing
your business strategy How small wins and daily disciplines
determine your destiny — not motivation Why showing up (even when
you don't feel like it) is the ultimate leadership move About the
Guest Professor Paul McGee is a Sunday Times bestselling author,
international speaker, and Visiting Professor at the University of
Chester. Known as "The SUMO Guy," Paul has written 13 books
including the global bestseller SUMO (Shut Up, Move On), which has
sold over half a million copies worldwide. He has spoken in over 40
countries and works with organizations to help leaders, teams, and
individuals build resilience, manage change, and create better
futures. Paul specializes in making psychology practical,
memorable, and actionable — with no bull, just brilliant insights.
Next Steps Apply it now Ask yourself: what t-shirt am I wearing
right now — victim or victor? And what's one response I need to
change to influence a better outcome? Connect with Paul McGee Visit
www.thesumoguy.com or follow him on social media @thesumoguy Scale
with Paul If this episode resonated, Paul's work focuses on helping
founders step out of the day-to-day and scale with structure and
confidence. Book a call with Paul:
https://www.paulavins.com/book-a-call Subscribe to the Scale-Up
Newsletter: https://www.paulavins.com/newsletter-opt-in About Paul
Avins Paul Avins is a scale-up business coach and founder of the
Grown-Up Business framework. He works with founders and CEOs to
help them move from operator to scale-up leader — building
businesses that grow sustainably, scale beyond the founder, and
create real enterprise value. Paul's work focuses on disciplined
leadership, high-performing teams, and systems that replace chaos
with clarity. Level Up. Team Up. Scale Up. Fire Up.
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