How to deal with Trump, China and debt: the African country getting it right

How to deal with Trump, China and debt: the African country getting it right

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As Donald Trump reshapes global trade and cuts foreign aid,
countries around the world are being forced to adapt fast - and
some leaders are doing better than others.


Among them is Zambia's President Hakainde Hichilema, who was
voted No. 5 in The Telegraph's World Leaders 2025 for turning his
country into a prize both Trump and Xi Jinping covet despite
enormous economic headwinds.


The Telegraph's Ben Farmer visited Zambia to interview Hichilema
about navigating Trump, China, aid cuts and debt. He tells
Venetia and Arthur why Zambia has become a key battleground in
the fight for resources such as copper.


Read Ben Farmer's profile of Hichilema:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/27/telegraph-world-leader-2025-hakainde-hichilema-zambia/


See the full Telegraph World Leaders 20205 list:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/01/telegraph-world-leaders-2025-readers-vs-the-panellists/


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