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How ICE Became Trump’s Secret Army

How ICE Became Trump’s Secret Army

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Pulitzer Prize winner Caitlin Dickerson on ICE’s explosive growth, Trump’s detention surge, and the future of U.S. immigration enforcement.

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On this episode of The David Frum Show, The Atlantic’s David Frum
begins with reflections on how Donald Trump’s sweeping immigration
crackdown has transformed America into what he calls a “society
based on fear.” Frum warns that the president’s methods risk
discrediting not just immigration enforcement, but also law,
police, and the very idea of democratic legitimacy. Then Frum is
joined by his Atlantic colleague Caitlin Dickerson, whose Pulitzer
Prize–winning reporting has laid bare the human and institutional
realities of immigration enforcement. They discuss her latest
investigation into the staggering expansion of ICE and the One Big
Beautiful Bill Act, which has supercharged its budget to
unprecedented levels. Dickerson explains how billions of dollars in
new funding are fueling mass detention, empowering private-prison
companies, and reshaping U.S. diplomacy while failing to solve the
core challenges of immigration. Get more from your favorite
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