#462 – Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson: Politics, Trump, AOC, Elon & DOGE

Ezra Klein is one of the most influential voices representing the
left-wing of American politics. He is a columnist for the NY Times
and host of The Ezra Klein Show. Derek Thompson is a writer at The
Atlantic and host of the Plain English podcast. Together they have
written a new book titled Abundance that lays out a set of ideas
for the future of the Democratic party. Thank you for listening
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https://nytimes.com/by/ezra-klein Derek's X: https://x.com/dkthomp
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The Atlantic: https://theatlantic.com/author/derek-thompson/
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Introduction (03:17) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections (10:33)
- Left-wing vs right-wing politics (19:54) - Political leaders on
the left and the right (44:29) - Internal political divisions
(47:29) - AOC (58:50) - Political realignment (1:10:32) -
Supply-side progressivism (1:17:42) - Wealth redistribution
(1:27:50) - Housing problem (1:44:09) - Regulation and deregulation
(2:00:43) - DOGE, Elon, and Trump (2:59:46) - Sam Harris (3:09:24)
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