#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

David Heinemeier Hansson (aka DHH) is a legendary programmer,
creator of Ruby on Rails, co-owner & CTO of 37signals that
created Basecamp, HEY, & ONCE, and is a NYT-best-selling author
(with Jason Fried) of 4 books: REWORK, REMOTE, Getting Real, and It
Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work. He is also a race car driver,
including a class-winning performance at the 24 hour Le Mans race.
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- Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections (08:48) - Programming - early
days (26:13) - JavaScript (36:32) - Google Chrome and DOJ (44:19) -
Ruby programming language (51:30) - Beautiful code (1:09:31) -
Metaprogramming (1:12:52) - Dynamic typing (1:20:10) - Scaling
(1:33:03) - Future of programming (1:50:34) - Future of AI
(1:56:29) - Vibe coding (2:05:01) - Rails manifesto: Principles of
a great programming language (2:29:27) - Why managers are useless
(2:38:48) - Small teams (2:44:55) - Jeff Bezos (3:00:13) - Why
meetings are toxic (3:07:58) - Case against retirement (3:15:15) -
Hard work (3:20:53) - Why we left the cloud (3:24:04) - AWS
(3:33:22) - Owning your own servers (3:39:35) - Elon Musk (3:49:17)
- Apple (4:01:03) - Tim Sweeney (4:12:37) - Fatherhood (4:38:19) -
Racing (5:05:23) - Cars (5:10:41) - Programming setup (5:25:51) -
Programming language for beginners (5:39:09) - Open source
(5:48:01) - WordPress drama (5:59:18) - Money and happiness
(6:08:11) - Hope