#677: HERESIES — Exploring Animal Communication, Cloning Humans, The Dangers of The American Dream, and More

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Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss
Show. I'm very excited to publish this episode. This is
an experimental format, and we are calling it
HERESIES.


The objective of this format is to encourage and
celebrate independent thinking.


Please enjoy!


Bios of the co-hosts and guests:


Kevin Kelly (@kevin2kelly) helped launch
and edit Wired magazine. He has written for The
New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal, among many
other publications. You can find my most recent interview with
him at tim.blog/kevinkelly. 


He is the author of the new book Excellent Advice
for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier. Other books
by Kevin Kelly include Out of Control, the 1994 classic book
on decentralized emergent systems; The Silver Cord, a
graphic novel about robots and angels; What Technology
Wants, a robust theory of technology; Vanishing Asia, his
50-year project to photograph the disappearing cultures of Asia,
and The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological
Forces That Will Shape Our Future, a New York
Times bestseller.


Kevin is currently co-chair of The Long Now Foundation,
which is building a clock in a mountain that will tick for 10,000
years. He also has a daily blog; a weekly podcast about cool
tools; and a weekly newsletter, Recomendo, which is a free,
one-page list of six very brief recommendations of cool stuff. He
is also a Senior Maverick at Wired. He lives in Pacifica,
California.


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Noah Feldman (@NoahRFeldman) is a Harvard
professor, ethical philosopher and advisor, public intellectual,
religious scholar and historian, and author of 10 books,
including his latest, The Broken Constitution: Lincoln,
Slavery, and the Refounding of America. You can find my interview
with him at tim.blog/noah.


Noah is the founder of Ethical Compass, which helps clients like
Facebook and eBay improve ethical decision-making by creating and
implementing new governance solutions. Noah conceived and
designed the Facebook Oversight Board and continues to
advise Facebook on ethics and governance issues.


Noah is host of the Deep Background podcast, a policy
and public affairs columnist for Bloomberg Opinion, and a
former contributing writer for The New York Times. He served
as senior constitutional advisor to the Coalition Provisional
Authority in Iraq and subsequently advised members of the Iraqi
Governing Council on the drafting of Iraq’s interim constitution.


He earned his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard, finishing first
in his class. Selected as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned a DPhil
from Oxford University, writing his dissertation on Aristotle’s
Ethics. He received his J.D. from Yale Law School and clerked for
Justice David Souter of the U.S. Supreme Court.


He is the author of 10 books, including Divided by God:
America’s Church-State Problem—and What We Should Do About
It; What We Owe Iraq: War and the Ethics of Nation
Building; Cool War: The United States, China, and the Future
of Global Competition; Scorpions: The Battles and Triumphs
of FDR’s Great Supreme Court Justices; and The Three Lives
of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President.


His upcoming book is Bad Jew: A Perplexed Guide to
God, Israel, and the Jewish People, which is
currently available for pre-order.


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Maggie Spivey-Faulkner is an
anthropological archaeologist and practitioner of Indigenous
archaeology, currently working as an assistant professor in
the Department of Anthropology at the University of
Alberta. She also serves as an assistant chief of the Upper
Georgia tribal town of the Pee Dee Indian Nation of Beaver Creek,
a state-recognized Native American group in South Carolina. Her
work focuses on using anthropological data to upend harmful
misconceptions of Native American peoples embedded in public
policy, science, and the public consciousness.


Maggie was raised in a tight-knit extended family in rural
Hephzibah, Georgia. She is an international fellow of The
Explorers Club, a former junior fellow of the Harvard Society of
Fellows, and a recipient of the National Science Foundation
Graduate Research Fellowship. She received her Ph.D. in
anthropology from Washington University in St. Louis in 2018 and
her A.B. from Harvard College in 2008. 


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Joshua L. Steiner is a partner at SSW,
a private investment firm, and a senior adviser at Bloomberg,
L.P., where he was previously Head of Industry Verticals. Prior
to joining Bloomberg, Steiner co-founded and was co-president of
Quadrangle Group, LLC, a private equity and asset management
firm. Before co-founding Quadrangle, he was a managing director
at Lazard. From 1993 to 1995 he served as chief of staff for the
U.S. Department of the Treasury.


He serves on the boards of Yale University, the International
Rescue Committee, and the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins
University. Steiner received a B.A. in history from Yale and an
M.St. in modern history from Oxford University.


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[11:34] Defining “heresy.”


[14:22] Josh’s heresy: We need to teach listening over talking.


[32:48] Noah’s heresy: Constitutions are overrated.


[55:01] Maggie’s heresy: American middle-class culture is ruining
everything.


[1:14:54] Tim’s heresy: We’re on the cusp of meaningfully
communicating with animals.


[1:35:23] Kevin’s heresy: Human cloning is OK.


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Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew
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Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah
Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine
Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary
Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael
Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria
Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de
Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly
Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard
Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael
Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan
Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit
Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim
Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval
Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth
Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard
Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid
Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick
Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren
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Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah
Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.


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